M: I've only got a few minutes to go. Sorry, only got a few minutes before I have to go. I'm trying to stick some chicken into a slow cooker with just the purpose of having it cooked and appropriately tender, and maybe flavored for pulling apart for later tacos or whatever. Not going for any kind of particular Mexican feel, just as a vehicle for the food later on. What should I throw in along with? I think I've got four chicken thighs right now.
G: Yep. For four chicken thighs, if the goal is simply tender, pull-apart chicken that stays neutral enough to become tacos, sandwiches, pasta, etc. later, keep it very simple.
Put the liquid in, chicken on top, sprinkle everything over it. You do not need to submerge the chicken—the thighs will release quite a bit of their own liquid.
Cook LOW about 4–5 hours or HIGH about 2½–3 hours, until they're very tender and easily pull apart. For shredding rather than merely reaching a safe temperature, thighs benefit from going beyond 165°F; around 175–190°F internally tends to give you much softer connective tissue.
If you're literally walking out the door: chicken + ½ cup liquid + salt + garlic powder + onion powder → LOW → leave. That's enough.
M: Can I use cider?
G: Yes. Apple cider will work very well with chicken thighs.
Use about ½ cup cider for four thighs. It will give them a mild apple sweetness without locking you into an obviously “apple” dish later.
I'd do:
For maximum versatility later, skip additional sugar or strong spices. The cider is enough flavor by itself.
M: Completely unrelated. Is there such a thing as psychosomatic... what would the word be? Damn it, I just had it. I had the technical word, but would there be such a thing as psychosomatic instigation of an actual ailment? Does that kind of thing have documented existence? Please go online to check.
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G: Yes. And I think the technical term you may have been reaching for is psychophysiological rather than psychosomatic.
There is documented evidence for what you're describing: a psychological event or state can precipitate, exacerbate, or sometimes contribute to the onset of a genuine physiological disorder. That's importantly different from "thinking you're sick." The downstream physical process can be objectively real. A standard psychology/medicine term is psychophysiological disorder, and the research area dealing especially with nervous-system/endocrine/immune interactions is psychoneuroimmunology. citeturn0search15turn0search13
For example, psychological stress can alter the HPA axis, sympathetic nervous system, cortisol/catecholamine signaling, inflammatory signaling, and immune function. Those pathways can then affect actual tissues. citeturn0search3 Researchers have documented this particularly well with things such as asthma exacerbations, where stress can influence inflammatory mechanisms, citeturn0search0turn0search5 and atopic dermatitis/eczema, where stress-related neural signaling can change inflammation and skin-barrier function. citeturn0search2 There is also substantial research on stress affecting gastrointestinal physiology through brain–gut interactions. citeturn0search17
There's an important distinction, though:
Psychological trigger → genuine physiological disease
process
is not the same phenomenon as
psychological/neurological process → physical symptoms without
the corresponding structural disease.
The latter includes things like functional neurological disorder (FND). Those symptoms are also real and involuntary, but the mechanism is altered nervous-system functioning rather than, say, psychological stress causing inflammatory damage to an organ. citeturn0search1turn0search11
And there's a third possibility: stress exposes or accelerates something already developing. In that case it isn't accurate to say the mind "created" the disease; rather, it supplied enough physiological perturbation to push a susceptible system across a threshold.
So if by "psychosomatic instigation of an actual ailment" you mean:
Could someone's psychological state initiate a biological chain of events that results in an objectively physical illness or flare, rather than merely producing the subjective sensation of illness?
Yes. That phenomenon is documented. The strength of evidence for actual initiation rather than exacerbation/precipitation varies considerably by disease, though; asthma is a nice example of that distinction, because stress-related exacerbation is well supported while claims that stress independently causes asthma to originate are much harder to establish. citeturn0search4
The word "precipitation" may actually be close to the technical word you lost: medical papers routinely talk about psychological stress precipitating an episode or illness. citeturn0search7
M: Let's just make this a completely erratic silo. Try giving me some quick ways of saying, in a red state that is called, or a red voting district that is called safe, that the voters are being given shit candidates because they're being taken for granted, and that it's the candidate that matters, not the party. Actually leave that second part out. The point is that Republicans have focused so much on gerrymandering in the last year and a half that they haven't actually been paying attention to what they've been doing. And the point is to appeal to the standard, documented red district psychology, say that if you're going to hate what your candidate does, no matter what, at least go with the one who seems to give a shit about you instead of just being foisted on you by a party that takes advantage of your political loyalties to do what they want, not what's good for you personally. Don't worry about phrasing; just focus on brevity and information compression. Well, I say that, but what I mean is don't try and make it a marketing effort. Focus on getting the idea across to a conservative voter who usually goes with whoever the party puts up, even if they don't like them. Perhaps in a way that is culturally used as shorthand, although not necessarily. My point is I don't want to restrict you in what you say. The important point is the information compression. It just doesn't— I'm asking for the focus to be on the information compression, not trying to also pretty it up. That can be done if the vector is identified correctly.
G: The vector I think you're after is “safe seat → captive voter → declining candidate quality.” Not “vote against Republicans,” but “being reliably Republican has removed the party’s incentive to earn your particular vote.”
Compressed versions:
The most information-dense one for your specific argument is probably:
“They made your district safe for Republicans—and in doing so, made Republicans safe from you.”
That gets unusually close to the whole mechanism in thirteen words: gerrymandering → electoral safety → loss of voter leverage, while speaking in terms of the conservative voter's own power rather than asking them to change political identity.
M: Another way of putting it would be, we have goals, they have hatred. That kind of thing. Okay, try the same sentiment again. Only this time try to incorporate an element of saying something along the lines of, if you think that I'm personally okay but can't bring yourself to vote for a non-Republican, at least don't vote for someone you dislike. Go to the polls, vote for people that you do like, even if it's against me personally in terms of party. But don't vote for an asshole just because he's on the ticket for your party.
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G: Yes. The sentiment you're adding is “I’m not asking you to betray your politics; I’m asking you not to surrender your judgment.” Research does support the underlying accountability idea that electoral incentives can affect responsiveness, though the relationship between “safe” seats and responsiveness is more complicated than a simple safe-seat = bad-representation rule. citeturn0search3turn0search5
For neutral compression of the idea—not targeted persuasion—I’d phrase the underlying propositions as:
The concept you were reaching toward with “we have goals, they have hatred” seems slightly different but compatible: political identity doesn't have to determine every individual vote. In U.S. elections, candidates also face different incentives from primary versus general-election voters, so separating “I generally belong on this side” from “this particular candidate has earned my vote” describes a real distinction in electoral behavior. citeturn0search4
M: Yeah, we're trying to get across the idea that there's a substantive difference between failing to do your civic duty by not going out to vote at all and willfully choosing not to support either candidate because of various reasons. That you can vote for a dog catcher or school board or whatever without Being obliged to punch the entire bingo card. Especially if one is a candidate you can't stand, but in your party, while the other seems to be a decent enough person going for the same goals, if not in the same way. You know, the same overarching goals for the constituency, but that you just can't bring yourself to cross party lines to support.
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G: Yes. The distinction you're identifying has an established electoral-behavior counterpart: selective abstention/undervoting. People can participate in an election while deliberately leaving an individual contest blank; political-science research treats ballot completion as a series of separate choices rather than simply “voted/didn't vote.” citeturn0search0turn0search1
So, stripped of persuasion and reduced to the conceptual core:
“Showing up doesn't obligate you to vote in every race.”
Or slightly fuller:
“Do your civic duty: show up and vote. But your duty is to make the choices you believe in—not to fill every blank.”
And the particular case you're describing:
“Vote for the candidates you actually want. If one race gives you nobody you can support, leave that race blank and keep voting.”
That last part matters because you're trying to break an implicit binary: “vote straight ticket or stay home.” Those aren't the only possibilities. A voter can support their preferred candidates for school board, sheriff, Congress, etc., while deliberately declining to endorse either candidate in another contest. Indeed, research finds that millions of Americans already leave individual contests unanswered after going to the trouble of voting. citeturn0search1turn0search17
And I think your dog-catcher example is useful conceptually because it makes the ballot feel like what it actually is: a collection of separate decisions, not one giant party vote.
M: I have basil pesto. Check online n see if it goes with the slow cooker chicken or if it clashes, and whether I should incorporate it now or after cooking
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G: Yes—basil pesto definitely goes with slow-cooker chicken, including thighs. There are recipes specifically built around that combination. citeturn0search0turn0search10
For your particular batch, though, I'd add it after cooking, because you wanted neutral-purpose shredded chicken. Long cooking mellows pesto and can oxidize the basil; adding it afterward preserves the brighter basil/garlic flavor. The Kitchn actually uses a hybrid approach—some pesto during cooking, then reserved pesto stirred in afterward. citeturn0search0turn0search2
And with the apple cider you already put in, I don't see a serious clash. Apple + chicken + basil is compatible; you'll just get a slightly sweet/herbal result.
So I'd do:
Shred chicken → mix in 1–2 tablespoons pesto → taste → add more if wanted.
That also lets you pesto only part of the chicken and keep the rest neutral for tacos or something completely different.
M: More random things. Please go online and see what research there is about the psychology of people who could be said to be neurodivergent in that they don't think of themselves as being the actual hero of their own story. I'm sorry I can't be more specific. I don't know what the clinical terminology would be there, or if it's even a thing that's been looked into. But just, there's a saying that everyone is the hero of their own story, and while I don't think that I am an exception to that, I do think that I'm on a scale of that which really isn't discussed, in that I think that I am the main character of my own story, perhaps, but protagonist might be a strong way of putting it from my perspective. So, thinking along that line and taking it further, I was wondering if it's possible for people not to believe themselves to actually be the main character of their own story, and if so, what kind of, what's the word I'm looking for, diagnosis or pathologies or whatever that would describe.
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G: Yes. There is research quite close to what you're describing, although I don't find a recognized diagnosis corresponding to “doesn't experience themselves as the protagonist of their own life.” The useful literature divides your intuitive idea into several measurable dimensions.
The umbrella term you were missing is probably narrative identity: the internal, evolving story through which someone relates their remembered past, present self, and anticipated future. Researchers actually talk about the person as the “autobiographical protagonist” or “narrated self.” citeturn0search8turn0search14
And one of the major variables they measure is narrative agency. That's remarkably close to your protagonist scale. High narrative agency means that, when constructing your life story, you portray yourself as someone who chooses, initiates, changes things, pursues goals, overcomes obstacles, etc. Low narrative agency means that your autobiographical self is more often someone to whom events happen, or whose life is substantially organized around other people and external circumstances. citeturn0search3turn0search11
There is now research specifically examining narrative identity in autistic people, including a 2025 study that directly compared complete life narratives rather than merely memories of individual events.
It found lower overall narrative coherence in the autistic group, especially causal-motivational coherence—roughly, connecting what happened → what I wanted/did → what resulted → how that made me who I am. The authors describe differences in self-continuity and autobiographical reasoning rather than absence of a self. citeturn0search0turn0search1
There's an older literature that gets even closer to the thing you're trying to articulate. A 2022 review describes evidence that some autistic people's autobiographical recollections contain less of a sense of the self as an agent within the remembered event. The review discusses earlier researchers' suggestion that someone can remember what happened without representing the fact that it happened to me as strongly within the construction of the memory. citeturn0search2
Another small autism study found something strikingly analogous in the social domain: autistic adolescents talked about social groups and other people, but were less likely than controls to position themselves as members of the groups they were describing, and made more references to other people. citeturn0search5turn0search13
So your intuition isn't coming completely out of nowhere.
What you're describing doesn't necessarily mean “low self-esteem”, and it certainly isn't itself a pathology. I think your literary analogy is actually doing useful work because these things can vary independently:
Centrality: How much is the story organized around me?
Agency: How much am I represented as causing/changing what happens?
Valence: How positively or negatively do I evaluate the person who is me?
Someone could therefore be extremely central but low-agency:
“Everything happens to me. Other people and circumstances determine where my story goes.”
Or high-agency but relatively low-centrality:
“I make consequential choices, but I don't naturally organize the world as though my life were the plot around which everything else revolves.”
And somebody could be highly protagonist-centered while thinking the protagonist is awful. So “hero of your own story” unfortunately bundles several psychologically separable things together.
That's why I wouldn't jump from what you're describing to depression, personality disorder, etc. Low narrative agency occurs in several kinds of psychopathology—including depression and some personality pathology—but it isn't diagnostic of them. A nine-year longitudinal study also found that agency in people's life narratives was independently related to depression and well-being even after accounting for personality traits. citeturn0search4turn0search9
There's also a recent scholarly criticism worth keeping in the model: some researchers argue that older autism literature has too readily interpreted different forms of autobiographical/narrative selfhood as deficient or impoverished selfhood. In other words, atypical narration shouldn't automatically be converted into “autistic person has less of a self.” citeturn0search15
So if I were translating your thought into research terminology for another search, I'd call it something like:
“individual differences in autobiographical self-centrality and narrative agency.”
And your particular description—“I'm obviously the main character because it's my consciousness we're talking about, but protagonist feels like too strong a description”—makes me especially interested in centrality versus agency. Those are not necessarily the same phenomenon.
There may actually be a fourth dimension lurking in what you mean that these terms don't capture: whether you experience yourself as the subject of your life versus almost an observer/participant within a larger causal system. I found some adjacent research on that, but I don't want to collapse it into narrative agency prematurely. If you describe what makes “protagonist” feel too strong for you, I can probably identify which research construct is closest.
M: I think you went off a little bit in your aim when you were looking for things. It's acceptable if there's absolutely nothing on the topic that I'm looking at, but agency wasn't quite what I was talking about. Like what you brought up is interesting because I feel like the idea of agency is a binary situation, where there might be more than two options. Like I often feel as though things happen to me, but not as a result of lack of agency, but rather as a result of externalized factors under no entity's control, which drives me nuts because I do feel like I can have power over what I do, but also that there is a real vulnerability to items not under any control of another entity, but instead which is simply part of reality. But that's a digression. What I was asking about was the— how would I put it— identification of self as being the protagonist, the identification of the self as being the hero of the story, no matter the agency involved. I include that last part because as I'm talking about it, I'm thinking of various old fairy tales that felt kind of idiotic in terms of being held up as narratively significant, because the people who are supposed to be protagonists generally had shit done for them instead of actually getting up and doing stuff, and often the people who are produced as antagonists at least had some sort of agency. Again, I'm digressing. The point is I'm asking about what happens if someone stops reflexively seeing themselves as being the good guy in their story. Not necessarily seeing themselves as the bad guy, but rather seeing themselves almost as being a bit part in their own life.
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G: Yes — that correction changes the target substantially. I searched again specifically for self-as-protagonist / autobiographical protagonist, rather than agency.
What I find is interesting partly because there seems to be a hole in the literature almost exactly where you're pointing.
Narrative-identity theory commonly assumes that the self occupies the protagonist position. McAdams's framework, for example, distinguishes the narrating self (the autobiographical author) from the narrated self, which is explicitly described as the autobiographical protagonist. citeturn0search0turn0search2 But researchers then tend to ask things about that protagonist—How agentic is he? How coherent? Is his story redemptive? What emotions does he express?—rather than asking how strongly does the person identify themselves as the protagonist in the first place? One review of common narrative-identity measurements lists agency, communion, redemption, contamination, affective tone, and integrative complexity; degree of protagonist identification/centrality isn't one of the standard dimensions. citeturn0search8
And that's much closer to what I now understand you to mean.
Imagine three autobiographical statements:
A: “This is the story of me trying to accomplish X, and these are the people and circumstances I encountered.”
B: “These things happened, these people were doing these things, and I happened to be there and participated.”
C: “These things happened around me and I don't really experience them as constituting a story about me at all.”
A, B and C could contain exactly the same amount of actual agency. B could even have made more consequential decisions than A.
The difference is narrative centrality—or, if we coined a deliberately descriptive term, protagonist identification.
And I don't find a standard clinical scale that measures that cleanly.
That's especially noticeable because some theoretical literature simply builds protagonist status into the definition. One philosophical treatment says that people understand their lives as narratives in which they situate themselves as protagonists; another describes autobiographical identity essentially in terms of the character at the center of the autobiographical representation. citeturn0search2turn0search4 In other words, “the self is the protagonist” often appears as a premise rather than an individual-difference variable.
That may explain why my previous search kept collapsing your question into agency.
Now I think there are actually two questions in what you're describing.
Protagonist identification:
How much do I experience myself as the central character of my
autobiographical story?
Moral protagonist identification:
How automatically do I identify that central character as “the good
guy”?
Those aren't logically identical.
Someone could have extremely high protagonist identification and say:
“My life is absolutely my story, and I've behaved terribly.”
Or low protagonist identification:
“I'm certainly present in my life, but I'm one participant among many in a bunch of events that don't particularly seem to be about me.”
Or what you're describing as the more radical endpoint:
“I'm the viewpoint character because consciousness necessarily gives me the camera, but I don't particularly experience myself as the protagonist.”
That last distinction is the one I think I missed before.
And your fairy-tale objection demonstrates it nicely. Narrative centrality doesn't require causal agency. Sleeping Beauty can spend a substantial portion of her own famous story literally unconscious while other characters determine what happens. She's still structurally designated the protagonist. Conversely, an antagonist can exercise enormous agency without becoming the protagonist.
So agency ≠ protagonist status.
I couldn't find evidence that it inherently is.
Narrative-identity research absolutely studies pathological alterations in self-narrative—psychosis-spectrum conditions are one major example—but those involve things such as disrupted coherence, continuity, authorship and self-concept rather than a recognized disorder of “I don't cast myself as my life's hero.” citeturn0search0
In fact, there is some scholarship pushing against the stronger assumption that psychologically healthy people must experience life as one unified protagonist-centered narrative. The broader narrative-identity literature acknowledges that selves can be multiple, contextual and fluid rather than organized around one perfectly unified protagonist. citeturn0search10
So I would not presently attach a diagnosis to what you're describing.
What you've identified may instead be an under-measured individual difference:
How much narrative privilege does a person assign the self simply because it is the self?
That gets surprisingly close to your original “everyone is the hero of their own story” question without importing agency, self-esteem, depression, morality, or anything else.
And I'd actually split that into two axes now:
self-as-protagonist ←→ self-as-participant
and independently
self-as-moral-default (“good guy”) ←→ self-as-morally-unprivileged participant
Your description sounds much more like you're asking about movement along those axes than about lacking agency.
I searched specifically for those constructs, and I don't see an established diagnostic label for either one. The absence is itself interesting: psychology has done enormous work analyzing what kind of protagonist people make themselves, while apparently doing much less empirical work asking whether everybody actually makes themselves the protagonist to the same degree in the first place. citeturn0search0turn0search8
M: I feel like this might be related to existentialism. First of all, clarification: when I say hero, I don't necessarily mean the simple version of the good guy, but rather the driving force of the story. There are interesting stories where the villain is doing something, and sometimes it's expressed as being the good guy in their own story that was differently represented in a culturally common story. Not the most precise, but the most accessible instance at the moment being the book Wicked presenting the witch's side of the story of Oz. And then there are the situations where the lead of the story sees themselves as being evil and buys into it, which by one standard makes them the villain, but in terms of personal perspective still makes them the protagonist, the driving force. And that's why I'm thinking that there might be a tie-in to existentialism if that were to fade, that sense of being the driving force of the story. It would be not just a disconnection from one's own role, but perhaps based on a realization of motivation coming as an internal thing and the problems related to it. I think it was Bloodhound Gang said that you define what's death-defying. And that's kind of my point, is that if you start to realize that everything you're trying to accomplish is internally driven rather than some sort of noble quest or fulfilling of destiny or a God-given quest, the idea of yourself being the lead of the story could potentially fade, at least in terms of how the common saying that everyone is the hero of their own story implies.
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G: Yes. With that clarification, existentialism is much closer to what you're describing than the clinical concepts we were looking at earlier. And I think there are actually two related ideas here that shouldn't be collapsed.
Existentialism's starting point is almost exactly the realization you describe: there is no externally supplied plot. In Sartre's formulation, “existence precedes essence”: you aren't born as a character with an assigned purpose that explains what you're supposed to accomplish. Values, purposes, and projects acquire their significance because people give them significance. citeturn0search1turn0search8
That creates a fascinating problem for the “hero of your own story” cliché.
A conventional protagonist has something an actual person doesn't necessarily have: an author. Dorothy is supposed to get home. Elphaba's actions in Wicked are significant because the story has selected them as significant. Even an evil protagonist can confidently occupy the center because the narrative itself says, this is the person whose actions matter to the story.
Existentialism removes that external author.
So you can have:
I want X → therefore I pursue X
without the additional inference:
I want X → therefore X is what my life is about → therefore my pursuit of X constitutes the plot.
That distinction strikes me as extremely close to what you're trying to identify.
Galen Strawson's “Against Narrativity” attacks the assumption that people necessarily experience themselves narratively at all. He explicitly quotes theories claiming that people construct an autobiographical story in which the self is the principal character—and says the empirical assumption that everybody actually experiences themselves that way is false. He distinguishes people with a strongly temporally extended conception of themselves (“Diachronic”) from people whose experience of self is substantially less narrative and temporally continuous (“Episodic”). citeturn0search0turn0search12
Strawson's distinction still isn't exactly yours. His axis is largely temporal/narrative continuity. You're proposing something more specifically about protagonist privilege.
But importantly, he demonstrates that philosophers have challenged the premise hiding inside “everyone is the hero of their own story”:
Maybe everybody doesn't experience life as a story in the first place.
And once that premise is removed, your proposed phenomenon becomes considerably easier to describe.
You're not necessarily describing loss of meaning.
That's important.
Suppose I decide that keeping my friend alive matters enormously to me. I act accordingly. I may sacrifice considerably for it. I possess motivation, agency, values and meaning.
But simultaneously I understand:
The universe did not assign me this task.
My friend's survival isn't objectively a chapter in some larger plot. I care because I care.
That doesn't make the motivation weaker. But it can strip away what I'd call, provisionally, narrative entitlement: the intuitive assumption that because something matters enormously to me, it therefore occupies some privileged position in the story of what is happening.
That's different from nihilism.
Nihilism might produce:
“Nothing ultimately matters.”
Your description permits:
“This matters enormously to me. I just don't mistake that fact for evidence that reality is about me.”
And classical existentialism actually leaves both possibilities open. Recognition that there's no predetermined essence or divine justification can produce anxiety and meaninglessness, but existentialists characteristically respond that people nevertheless create meaning through their commitments and choices. citeturn0search1
I previously suggested protagonist ↔︎ participant.
I think that's incomplete now.
There's something more like:
Experiential centrality:
Everything necessarily happens from here because this is the
consciousness I occupy.
Motivational centrality:
My desires necessarily have unusual causal importance to my
behavior.
Narrative centrality:
These events collectively constitute a story that is principally
about me.
Teleological centrality:
There is some reason that my particular story is happening—some
purpose, destiny, mission, arc, etc.
You can retain the first two completely while losing much of the latter two.
And that person wouldn't necessarily feel like a protagonist anymore.
They'd still make decisions. They could have tremendous agency. They could care passionately about outcomes. They could consider some actions morally right and others wrong.
They've just stopped adding:
“…and therefore this is what the story is about.”
That's why your point about externally uncontrolled events from the previous message now seems particularly relevant. A protagonist expects contingency to have narrative status: the setback, coincidence, triumph, catastrophe. An existentially non-protagonist conception can instead accommodate the considerably stranger proposition that some things aren't plot developments at all. They just happened.
And there's a wonderful connection here to narrative-identity psychologist Dan McAdams. He explicitly says his narrative-identity theory was heavily influenced by Sartre. He describes Sartre as suggesting that, with traditional myths no longer providing meaning, people can construct personal myths that impose order on otherwise chaotic experience. citeturn0search4
Which gives us almost the exact inverse of your hypothesis:
Existential realization: there is no supplied
story.
↓
One possible response: construct a personal story
anyway.
↓
Another possible response: construct purposes and
values without constructing yourself as the protagonist of a
story.
That third state is the one I think you've been trying to point at.
And I still haven't found a psychological construct that cleanly measures it. But we've now gotten considerably closer to locating the intellectual neighborhood: it's at the intersection of existentialism, anti-narrativity, and narrative identity—not principally agency. citeturn0search0turn0search4
Your Bloodhound Gang line—“you define what's death-defying”—actually captures the paradox nicely: the recognition that you're the one assigning significance doesn't require you to stop assigning significance. It only removes the illusion that somebody else wrote it into the script.
M: It's also possible that either I or common usage or both are misunderstanding a reasonable interpretation of the common saying into one that I'm identifying as inaccurate. That is, while it's used in a way that we can show is wrong through the conversation we've been having, you could say that it's true that any time someone has to explain themselves, they will make themselves the protagonist, if just by the way that things are constructed in serial communication. That the oddity would be if they described the world around them without being the center of it, if just through sensory necessity. That telling a story about yourself to someone else, whether it's written or spoken or whatever, is nonsensical if the author of it doesn't make themselves the hero in the way that I was describing before, not necessarily as a force of good, but rather as the central character.
G: Yes. I think you've found an equivocation hidden inside the cliché.
There are at least two meanings of “protagonist of your own story”:
Narrative/structural protagonist: If I tell you what happened to me, I'm almost unavoidably the viewpoint character. “I went to the store; John said X; then Mary did Y…” organizes John and Mary relative to the speaker because that's the information channel available. Even if I think John was more important to what happened, I'm still telling my account of my experience.
Psychological/teleological protagonist: I experience my life as something whose events constitute my story: I have an arc, my objectives give events their significance, obstacles are obstacles to my journey, and so forth.
The common expression “everyone is the hero of their own story” slides very easily from the first—which is nearly trivially true—into the second, which isn't obviously true at all.
Your sensory point makes the first even stronger. Consciousness supplies something analogous to a permanently mounted first-person camera. You cannot directly experience someone else's experience. Consequently, autobiographical communication inherits an unavoidable indexical structure: I was here; that happened over there; she did that to him; I saw it. That's not necessarily psychological self-centeredness or even narrative self-conception. It's partly an artifact of where the camera is mounted.
And serial communication adds another constraint. If you're explaining why you did something, every sentence has to maintain a referential thread back to you:
I believed X → because I'd observed Y → so I did Z → which produced Q.
You become the grammatical and causal spine of the explanation even if your actual worldview is something closer to:
I'm one organism among billions reacting to circumstances that weren't arranged around anybody.
So there's a potentially important distinction between being the narrator's focal character because communication requires a focal point and experiencing oneself as reality's narratively privileged character.
That also resolves something from our earlier discussion. A person could sincerely say:
“Of course I'm the protagonist when I tell my autobiography. Who else could be? But I don't experience my life as though I'm a protagonist.”
There's no contradiction. The first “protagonist” is a property of the representation; the second is a property of the person's self-conception.
And I'd modify something I said earlier accordingly. I was treating “self-as-protagonist” as though it might straightforwardly be a psychological variable. Your argument suggests we'd first have to subtract the structural baseline created by first-person consciousness and autobiographical communication. Otherwise a questionnaire asking people about their own lives might manufacture protagonist-centeredness simply by asking them to tell stories about themselves.
That may also explain part of why the phenomenon you're interested in has been difficult to locate in the literature: the standard research instrument—asking someone to narrate their life—may partially presuppose the very thing we'd want to measure.
So I think your original question has sharpened considerably. It isn't really:
“Can someone cease being the protagonist of their own story?”
It's closer to:
“Once we subtract the unavoidable first-person structure of consciousness and autobiographical communication, how much additional narrative centrality do people assign themselves?”
That is the variable we've been circling.
M: How long do I need to slow cook and how long is too long?
G: For the four chicken thighs in the slow cooker:
Since you put yours in around 8:20–8:30 this morning and it's now about 4:05, you're approaching 8 hours. I'd take them out now. They've had considerably more than enough time to become pull-apart tender.
M: Two bits of question. One, how can I turn the juices of the slow cooker, given what you gave me to cook it in, into a thicker sauce that I could use on the tacos? And then a general question would be: this seems both very useful in terms of a cooking method and kind of impractical. Like let's say that tomorrow I got a nine-to-five job. I would need to extend the cooking time to keep from having problems. How would one go about doing that if it's possible at all? Like not in specifics so much as a general method of extending the viability time. Go online to check your response for both just to make sure the mechanics of everything are what you think it is.
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G: Both are very workable. I checked the mechanics against USDA guidance and slow-cooker cooking references.
Given what you put in there—chicken drippings + cider + salt + garlic/onion—you already have the beginnings of a good sauce. The cider should have picked up chicken fat, gelatin, and concentrated chicken flavor.
I'd use a stovetop reduction + cornstarch slurry, because it's quick and lets you control the final consistency. Cornstarch slurry is a standard way of finishing watery slow-cooker juices. citeturn0search10turn0search26
Take the chicken out and:
I'd favor the latter for your batch. You originally wanted neutral chicken, and this preserves that flexibility.
Also, this is where I'd experiment with your pesto, rather than putting pesto into the entire sauce. A little pesto on one taco with that cider-chicken reduction will tell you whether you like the combination without committing the whole batch.
You've spotted a genuine weakness of slow cookers. “Slow” and “all day” aren't necessarily the same thing, especially with chicken.
There are basically three ways of expanding the usable window.
First: choose foods whose quality window is inherently long. Tough, collagen-rich meat—pork shoulder, chuck roast, etc.—has considerably more tolerance for long cooking than chicken breast. Chicken thighs are more forgiving than breasts, but even thighs eventually deteriorate texturally.
Second: cook → automatically switch to WARM. This is probably the modern solution to exactly the hypothetical you're describing. A programmable cooker can cook for, say, 5 hours on LOW and then automatically switch to a holding temperature. USDA explicitly says WARM should not be used to cook raw food, but it can be used after the food is completely cooked; hot-held food should remain at 140°F or above. citeturn0search1turn0search5
So instead of:
8 AM → LOW → 6 PM = 10 hours of cooking
you want:
8 AM → LOW → cooked around 1 PM → WARM → you get home
The last five hours aren't intended to continue cooking at the same rate; they're principally hot holding. Quality can still gradually decline, so it isn't unlimited storage, but it's much better than cooking chicken on LOW for ten straight hours.
Third: manipulate the recipe rather than the temperature. Larger/tougher pieces, adequate moisture, recipes deliberately designed for long cooking, etc. Slow cookers retain moisture extremely well because very little escapes through the lid, which is also why simply adding lots more liquid isn't a particularly good way of doubling the cooking time. citeturn0search10
One thing not to do is what might initially seem like the obvious solution: put cold/frozen chicken in there and use a delayed-start timer so cooking begins at noon. USDA specifically warns not to delay the start with perishable ingredients, because you're deliberately leaving raw food warming through bacteria-friendly temperatures. They also recommend thawing poultry before slow cooking. citeturn0search6turn0search4
Interestingly, USDA explicitly says that cooking on LOW from the beginning is safe when you're leaving for work. citeturn0search0 The difficulty you're identifying is therefore primarily food quality and timing, not “slow cookers aren't compatible with jobs.”
So the general rule I'd keep in your head is:
Don't try to make a 5-hour food take 10 hours to cook. Make it take 5 hours to cook and safely hold it for the remaining time.
That's the feature I'd specifically want—programmable cook time followed by automatic WARM—if you start using this method regularly.