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G: I think I understand what you're getting at, and it matches a broader pattern that has become more visible over the last year.

What I found is that there really is an active attempt in parts of the contemporary American right to rehabilitate Nixon—not merely to argue that he had some important policy achievements (which historians across the spectrum have long acknowledged), but to reinterpret Watergate itself as either overblown, politically motivated, or an early example of the "deep state" destroying an anti-establishment president. That effort has accelerated recently through speeches, social media, and the Nixon Foundation's own outreach to younger conservatives. citeturn0search1turn0search4

The interesting part, and I think this is close to your concern, isn't really Nixon himself.

It's what Nixon represents.

For decades, Nixon functioned as a kind of constitutional warning label.

• Presidents can abuse executive power.
• Their own party has a duty to stop them.
• Courts, Congress, investigators, and journalists all have legitimate roles in checking executive misconduct.
• Losing political support because of misconduct is not a constitutional crisis—it's the system working.

Watergate became less about Richard Nixon than about the existence of guardrails. citeturn0search15turn0search6

If you're trying to build an argument for a much stronger executive today, that historical example becomes inconvenient.

So instead of saying:

"We want fewer safeguards."

the rhetorical move becomes

"Those safeguards were abused against an innocent—or at least unfairly treated—president."

That reframes the safeguards themselves as suspect.

I also recognize something about the way you've been approaching these discussions over the past several weeks.

Your interest usually isn't primarily in whether Nixon personally deserves another three points in a historian's ranking.

You're looking at incentives.

You're asking something closer to:

"Why spend enormous political energy changing the public memory of this person?"

That's a different question.

And I think it's a productive one.

Because reputations are rarely rewritten solely for historical curiosity.

They're rewritten because they affect present-day arguments.

If Watergate is remembered as an example of institutions correctly restraining presidential misconduct, then people arguing for broad presidential authority inherit a problem.

If Watergate instead becomes

• media hysteria,
• bureaucratic sabotage,
• partisan persecution,
• or "everyone did it, Nixon just got caught,"

then the lesson changes.

Instead of

"Executive power needs limits,"

the lesson becomes

"Executive power needs protection from unelected enemies."

That's a much more useful historical narrative if your contemporary political project emphasizes executive authority. citeturn0search1turn0search5

The other thing I hear in what you said is something slightly more philosophical.

You don't seem especially impressed by Nixon as a person.

You're almost asking:

Why are we investing so much effort rehabilitating someone who, even granting his diplomatic accomplishments, wasn't exactly an inspiring model of civic virtue?

That's a fair observation.

Even historians who give Nixon substantial credit for opening relations with China, détente, environmental legislation, and administrative competence generally continue to argue that Watergate fundamentally altered his legacy because it reflected deliberate abuses of presidential power rather than a single mistake. The historical debate has usually been over balance, not exoneration. citeturn0search17turn0search6

One thing I'd separate, though, is two different kinds of revisionism.

The first is legitimate historical reevaluation.

History does this constantly.

People have become more appreciative of Nixon's foreign policy, his environmental initiatives, or his willingness to pursue détente despite opposition from his own party.

That's ordinary scholarship.

The second is changing the moral lesson of an event.

That's different.

If Watergate stops being remembered as evidence that constitutional checks successfully constrained presidential misconduct, then the event ceases to function as a civic cautionary tale.

That's no longer primarily about Nixon.

It's about redefining what counts as an abuse of power.

So if I were compressing your concern into the framework you've often used in our conversations, I'd put it this way:

You're less disturbed by people liking Nixon than by the apparent attempt to dissolve historical "pinning points."

Some events in history act like anchor bolts in the constitutional structure. Watergate has long been one of those anchors. If enough people can be persuaded that the anchor never really belonged there—that Nixon was fundamentally the victim rather than the principal wrongdoer—then later arguments for weakening oversight encounter much less resistance.

Whether one agrees with every contemporary comparison or not, that's a coherent reason why Nixon's legacy has become politically valuable again: not because his personality suddenly became admirable, but because the meaning attached to his downfall has implications for how people think about presidential power today. citeturn0search1turn0search15

G: I think you've identified something that goes beyond the usual "history is written by the winners" observation.

The first point is the logical one you raised. If someone argues that "post-Watergate safeguards prove the system was unfair to Nixon," that's backwards. Many of the reforms commonly associated with Watergate—the strengthening of ethics rules, campaign finance changes, greater congressional oversight, the independent counsel experiments (later abandoned), increased expectations around transparency—were responses to what happened, not causes of it. Nixon resigned because of evidence that emerged under the legal and institutional framework that already existed. Whether one thinks some later reforms went too far is a separate question, but those later safeguards cannot logically explain his downfall.

The second point, which I find more interesting, is your observation about investment versus return.

Normally, if people decide to spend enormous cultural or political effort rehabilitating someone, it's because that person is viewed as unusually consequential or unusually admirable. Lincoln, FDR, Reagan, Martin Luther King Jr.—whether you agree with them or not, they're obvious "high-value" historical figures. They changed the country in ways that supporters think justify sustained defense.

Nixon is... odd.

He's undeniably significant. He opened relations with China, pursued détente, created the EPA, signed major environmental legislation, expanded affirmative action in some contexts, and left a deep mark on foreign policy. But he's also inseparable from Watergate. Even many conservatives for decades accepted a version of, "He accomplished important things, but Watergate destroyed his presidency."

That makes him a strange choice if your goal were simply to celebrate excellence.

Which is why I don't think "rehabilitating Nixon" is actually the end goal.

The effort makes more sense if Nixon is functioning as a test case.

If you can persuade people that Watergate wasn't really the constitutional cautionary tale they grew up hearing about, you've altered one of the strongest examples Americans have of institutional accountability working against a president. Nixon becomes useful not because he is extraordinary, but because the lesson attached to him is.

That fits with something else you mentioned:

They're dismissing the environmental accomplishments while defending the illegal conduct.

If the objective were genuinely "give Nixon the credit he deserves," you'd expect the opposite emphasis. His environmental record is one of the strongest reasons historians who dislike Watergate still consider him a consequential president. Ignoring that while focusing on minimizing Watergate suggests the goal isn't a balanced reassessment of Nixon. It's a reassessment of executive accountability.

I also think your Pete Rose comparison is getting at a broader principle.

Pete Rose is almost the inverse case.

If someone wanted to rehabilitate him, they'd start with an extraordinary baseball résumé and then argue about proportionality of punishment. The debate would be, "Does one violation outweigh one of the greatest playing careers in history?"

With Nixon, the energy often seems directed less toward saying, "Here are all the remarkable things he accomplished," and more toward saying, "The thing everyone remembers him for wasn't that bad."

Those are very different projects.

One is adding positive evidence.

The other is subtracting negative evidence.

Finally, I think there's a subtle observation in what you're saying that isn't really about Nixon at all.

You're noticing an apparent mismatch between the amount of effort and the intrinsic value of the subject.

If someone devoted ten years to convincing everyone that Marie Curie deserves more recognition, the investment matches the historical importance.

If someone devotes ten years to convincing everyone that an otherwise middling historical figure wasn't quite as bad as people think, it naturally prompts the question, "Why this person?"

That doesn't prove an ulterior motive, but it does make the question reasonable. It suggests the value lies less in the person's overall legacy than in changing what their story symbolizes. Nixon's symbolic role—as the president whose own party ultimately accepted that overwhelming evidence of abuse of power required his resignation—has implications for contemporary debates that extend well beyond Nixon himself.

So I don't think the rehabilitation effort is proportional to Nixon's historical "greatness." It's more proportional to the importance of the precedent his presidency represents. That's a different kind of value, and it better explains why the emphasis can seem oddly selective.

G: I think you've arrived at something that's a little different from a political complaint. It's almost an observation about selection bias in public memory.

You're not asking, "Why are they defending Nixon?"

You're asking, "Why is this where so much cultural energy is going?"

Those aren't the same question.

One way I'd frame it is this:

Public figures become symbols, and symbols are selected for usefulness, not merit.

That's true across politics, activism, journalism, and even advertising.

The "best" representative of a cause is often not the most deserving person. It's the person whose story is easiest to use—or hardest to ignore.

That leads to two opposite distortions.

• Some worthy people are forgotten because they don't advance anyone's narrative.
• Some comparatively ordinary or flawed people receive enormous attention because they do.

The result is exactly the mismatch you're describing.

Take your Rodney King example. One factual clarification: Rodney King did have prior legal troubles, including a robbery conviction before the 1991 beating. But the central issue wasn't whether he had lived an exemplary life. The question was whether the officers used unlawful and excessive force against him after a pursuit. Those are logically separate questions, even though they became rhetorically intertwined in public debate.

And that intertwining is precisely your point.

A person's imperfections become ammunition because people instinctively want the symbol to be morally pure.

The same happens in reverse.

People sometimes become determined to defend someone, not because that individual deserves extraordinary admiration, but because successfully defending them advances a larger narrative.

That's where Nixon feels different to you.

If someone spent years arguing that Jonas Salk deserved more recognition, or that a forgotten civil-rights organizer deserved wider public awareness, the effort would seem proportional to the person.

With Nixon, it feels as though the energy exceeds the intrinsic value of the individual.

So your mind naturally asks,

"What else is this effort buying?"

That's a reasonable question, because attention is finite. Every hour spent promoting one historical narrative is an hour not spent promoting another.

I also noticed something in what you said that I think is where the melancholy comes from.

You aren't primarily lamenting that "bad people get defended."

You're lamenting that deservingness and attention have such a weak correlation.

That is, unfortunately, something we see repeatedly.

History remembers people partly because of what they did.

But it also remembers them because later generations found them useful.

Those are different selection criteria.

Sometimes they overlap beautifully.

Sometimes they hardly overlap at all.

The nurse you're trying to remember illustrates the opposite phenomenon. (I think you may be referring to someone whose story briefly became emblematic of violence against healthcare workers or public service, though I'm not certain which case you mean.) Such a person can embody admirable qualities, yet if their story doesn't become strategically valuable to major institutions, media, activists, or politicians, it fades much faster than someone whose legacy is useful in an ongoing ideological struggle.

That asymmetry can be genuinely discouraging.

One thing I would add, though, is a slight refinement to your model.

I don't think the public, by itself, is usually choosing the mismatch.

Most people only have the bandwidth to remember a tiny fraction of history. They largely inherit the figures that are repeatedly presented to them—through media, schools, entertainment, political rhetoric, anniversaries, documentaries, and now social media algorithms.

So the mismatch isn't necessarily evidence that ordinary people value the wrong things. It's often evidence that the institutions and groups competing for public attention have incentives that are different from simply honoring the most deserving people.

That leaves us in an odd position. The people who become enduring symbols are often neither the best nor the worst representatives of a cause. They're the ones whose stories remain useful.

I think that's why your observation feels heavier than just "people are being hypocritical." It's the realization that historical memory behaves less like a meritocracy than like an ecosystem competing for attention. Merit matters—but usefulness often matters more. And once you start noticing that pattern, it's difficult not to see it in case after case.