M: Okay, I've got a soft toothbrush and a guitar. I'm intending to take the strings off, do a bit of detailing, like loosening the various connections so I can get the dirt out from between the various cracks, and then put it back together in a timely fashion. I've got a bit of, like, caked on grime on the headboard, you know, stuff where years of neglect combined with either stuff growing on the various skin bits that stayed there or a lack of oil or whatever have caused a definite discoloration and actually a little bit of a tactile difference. How long should this take? Is it dangerous to remove the strings completely for an hour or two in terms of warping the neck or whatever? And is there any kind of prep work I should do for the guitar neck and particularly the fretboard before I begin? Please go online either to find the answer or to confirm what you think is the answer already.
G: Short version first (your style):
TL;DR
You’re safe.
What actually happens:
But over hours, that shift is negligible. Worst case:
Where it would matter:
Your use case: non-issue.
Breakdown:
Total: ~45–90 minutes
If you’re disassembling hardware:
You described:
That’s normal. Fix is mechanical first, not chemical.
Step 1 – Dry removal
Step 2 – Mechanical scraping (key for caked stuff)
Step 3 – Minimal moisture
Important:
Step 4 – Condition (if non-maple fretboard)
This matters more than anything you asked.
Avoid:
Reason:
Do this so you don’t create new problems:
You can leave 1–2 strings on (low E + high E) while cleaning if you want neck stability and reference.
But:
The only real correction:
add a wooden scraper step before you start
scrubbing—you’ll get better results faster and with less wear.
M: Okay, um, I am a little bit surprised that there is no use for any kind of solvent. My primary concern in that part isn't the wood, it's the frets themselves. When I say it's kind of gross, I mean that the edges have picked up a little bit of a green tint at parts of the edges. Now, this may come off with the toothbrush. I'm just looking for a little bit of reassurance that I shouldn't use anything but a dry toothbrush and a little bit of repetition.
G: Short answer:
You can use a solvent on the frets—but carefully,
targeted, and minimal.
Your instinct isn’t wrong; you just don’t want it touching the wood.
That discoloration on the fret edges is almost certainly:
Same basic idea as copper turning green, just less dramatic.
Start here because it’s zero risk:
If it comes off → stop there.
If you still see:
Then yes—use a solvent, but only on the metal.
Method:
The real rule isn’t “no solvent.”
It’s:
No solvent sitting on unfinished wood.
Fretboards (especially rosewood/ebony) are porous.
Alcohol can dry them out if overused.
If you want extra safety:
You usually need both for “years of neglect” cases.
Don’t go straight to:
Those are escalation tier 2, not first-line.
Dry brushing alone is safe, but for what you described, it’s probably insufficient by itself.
M: How long could I safely leave these strings off? Like, a few hours or what? Because if I take them off and use the dry toothbrush approach, I can see that working if I have a clear shot at cleaning the thing, as opposed to trying to dodge strings. But if it doesn't, I have enough going on today that I won't be able to take another shot at it really quickly. How long before it starts to be unsafe?
G: TL;DR
You’re nowhere near the danger zone.
A guitar neck is under constant opposing forces:
Remove strings → you temporarily lose that forward pull.
But:
0–6 hours
6–24 hours
1–3 days
1+ week
The real risks are:
Not:
You’re:
That’s routine maintenance territory.
Guitar techs do this constantly.
If you want to be extra conservative (not required):
That’s it.
You can:
…and nothing meaningful will happen to the neck.
The “danger window” is measured in weeks under bad conditions, not hours.
M: Again, continue to check online just to make sure this is less of a distrust of your internal knowledge and more of an acknowledgment that what you think you remember isn't always true and isn't always true after you've learned it. Things develop. Would these same rules in terms of what to clean and how apply to a bass guitar? And then answer this separately. What differences would there be in doing a minor detailing to a banjo? In this case, it has less usage buildup over time. It's my dad's. It's been in a case for I don't know how long. And it looks like he took care of it before putting it away. It might not even need it, but if it does, what would the differences be between that and any kind of guitar maintenance?
G:
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Everything you were told for guitar applies:
This is consistent across guidance from sources like entity["organization","Fender","musical instrument manufacturer"] and entity["organization","Ernie Ball","string manufacturer"], which treat bass and guitar care essentially the same at a fundamentals level.
1. More grime, not different grime
So:
2. Bigger spacing = easier cleaning
3. Fingerboard wear is often heavier
→ Conditioning step matters a bit more
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This is a different animal structurally.
Cleaning approach:
Avoid:
Reason: you can stain or weaken the head.
Hooks, brackets, tension ring, etc.
Here’s where solvent is actually more acceptable:
But:
You said:
“less usage buildup”
So likely:
Unlike a guitar:
If it’s been in a case a long time:
Watch for:
If you see actual corrosion (not just tarnish), that’s a different conversation.
Don’t assume:
Different materials = different cleaning rules.
If your dad’s banjo was well-kept and stored:
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Yeah, I don't think you ever mentioned fretboard oil. What the hell are you talking about there? And I'm sending a picture of the serial number on the back of the guitar head. See if that gives you any information to tell you what model I'm working with or any other information that might be important in terms of cleaning, please.
G:
This is one of those terms that sounds more complicated than it is.
Fretboard oil = a very light conditioning oil
Used on:
Purpose:
It is NOT:
You only use it if the fretboard is unfinished wood.
Oil on a finished maple board just sits there and makes a mess.
From the back stamp:
That lines up with early 2000s DeArmond imports (Guild/Fender-era production).
Typical specs for those:
So:
You probably can use fretboard oil—but only lightly and only after cleaning.
Given what you described (grime + green on frets):
Dry clean first
Target frets (your concern)
Assess the fretboard
If using oil
Because:
Your real issue = buildup + fret oxidation, not dry wood.
You said:
“I don’t think you mentioned fretboard oil”
That’s actually good instinct—because:
Most people use it too often and for the wrong reasons
If you:
You might barely need it.
And if the board doesn’t look dry after cleaning, skipping oil is the correct move.
M: Okay, I've got that on the basics. Is there anything I can do for the pickups, besides just wipe them off and see what I can get? Because they also have some buildup. It feels like it should come off with a little bit of effort, but like, a couple of the screws have what looks like a little bit of rust, and some of the screws seem to have, like, not any kind of issue involving themselves, but like, skin has built up and formed a layer of gross on them. I'm just going to, you know, scrub at them and see what I can get off once I've dealt with the fretboard, but is there anything particular I should know, either in terms of what would help or what might hurt?
G:
From your description:
These are surface issues, not functional problems.
This will remove most of the gross layer without risk.
If the grime is stubborn:
Then:
Do not let liquid seep into the pickup housing
Pickups aren’t meant to be “wet-cleaned.”
So:
You’ve got two options:
Light rust:
Avoid:
Avoid:
Those “gross” screw tops:
Best tool:
It’s slow, but it works better than brushing alone.
And stop short of trying to make it look factory-new—because chasing that is where people start causing damage.
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This is a picture of the second fret. One of them is before, and the second is after a minute straight of using the toothbrush. You can see that while it's making some difference, there are some areas as well that simply are, like, too entrenched to respond to this without, like, a half hour for each fret spent, which I'm not sure would be healthy for the rest of the material, especially the stuff that doesn't have the giant collection. I'm wondering what the consensus between you and the online community is about how I should approach this.
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That streaky, gray-beige look:
The key insight:
You are not cleaning a surface—you are excavating pores
That’s why brushing alone is stalling.
What you’re running into is exactly where most guides say:
“Switch from brushing to controlled mechanical + chemical cleaning.”
This aligns with common guidance from places like entity["organization","Fender","musical instrument manufacturer"] and entity["organization","StewMac","instrument repair supplier"]—they explicitly recommend removing buildup before conditioning.
You already proved:
Continuing = wasted effort + unnecessary wear
Use:
Method:
You’ll see:
This is the biggest improvement step.
After loosening:
Then:
This does two things:
Now the toothbrush becomes effective again:
After cleaning, evaluate:
If it looks:
Oil will:
But it is not required
Do NOT:
Even after proper cleaning:
That’s normal.
The goal is:
Clean, smooth, hygienic—not showroom fresh
Right now you’re thinking:
“Why isn’t brushing enough?”
The correct model is:
Brushing = finishing step
Scraping = primary removal
Once you flip that, the whole job speeds up dramatically.
And yes—what you’re seeing is completely normal for a guitar that hasn’t been cleaned in a long time.
M: Just a regular but emergency random question. How long do you cook brats for and how long do you cook hamburgers for each side on a grill? Don't give me a very detailed answer, just something brief, please. I know that you need to stick forks in the brat.
G: TL;DR
Notes
Also: don’t stab brats if you can avoid it—you lose juices.
M: Complete different direction. We have a Dyson V7 vacuum, thinking about getting a V8. Do they use the same charging station?
G:
Yes — V7 and V8 use the same charger and docking system.
Dyson themselves group them together:
No adapter needed. No rewiring. Just swap the vacuum.
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That’s basically the shared ecosystem you’re in.
You’re still in the same “generation” of Dyson hardware.
M: Back to the guitar and bass. I had to clean off the guitar in terms of accumulated skin crap, but I have somewhere in the back of my mind the idea that if the skin is regularly taken off, that the oil is somehow actually beneficial for the wood, at least in terms of human usage. Am I thinking of that correctly? And if it's incorrect, where did I get the idea wrong?
G: Short answer: you’re half right, but in a misleading way.
Human skin oils do interact with unfinished wood (like rosewood/ebony fretboards):
That’s why old, well-played fretboards often look:
So yes, there’s a kernel of truth:
contact from playing does affect the wood in a way that can look beneficial
Skin oil is not clean oil. It’s a mix of:
Over time, that mixture:
So:
What looks like “conditioning” is actually contamination + buildup
Think of it like this:
Same principle as:
By cleaning:
Then if needed, you can add:
Which gives you:
You didn’t invent a bad idea—you just stopped one step too early in the chain.
And what you cleaned off wasn’t “useful oil,” it was the part that had already gone bad.
M: That's what I meant, that the human contact can provide a beneficial element and a damaging element, but regular maintenance would remove the damaging parts and the wood would absorb the beneficial parts, namely the oil.
G: You’re close, but the mechanism isn’t what you think.
Key correction:
The wood is not selectively “absorbing the good oil and leaving the bad behind.”
It’s mostly absorbing very little, and what stays is just a thin film until it builds into grime.
Unfinished fretboards (rosewood/ebony):
So:
Over time:
That gives the illusion of:
“the wood is being nourished”
But really it’s:
mechanical wear + light surface conditioning + periodic removal of buildup
This part is the issue:
“maintenance removes the bad parts and leaves the beneficial oil behind”
In reality:
Think of it like this:
If skin oil were reliably beneficial:
But in practice:
You’re right that:
But wrong that:
What you want is:
clean surface + minimal residue + occasional controlled conditioning
—not a curated layer of leftover human oil.
M: It's been a while since I screwed around with my bass guitar. Was there anything I should remember to do differently when I restring it that I might be forgetting?
G:
Instead:
Reason:
This matters more on bass than guitar.
If not:
Bass strings:
So:
Don’t yank hard like guitar strings.
Thicker strings = more friction
If tuning feels:
You can:
If your bass allows both:
Just be consistent with what you expect.
You do not need:
Bass restringing is simpler than guitar once you avoid over-wrapping and kinking.
If you remember nothing else:
That avoids 90% of bass restringing problems.