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This keyboard is about, I don't know, 12 or 13 years old, and it is
almost exactly what I want out of a keyboard, with the one problem being
that it's pre-Bluetooth ubiquity, so it has to function off of a dongle.
I need you to go online, please, and try and find me something as
similar as possible. It's not even that it's breaking, but with the new
computer, I would rather be working off of Bluetooth. I have a couple
portable keyboards, but as you can tell from the picture, I prefer a
full degree of functionality, like all 101 keys plus whatever's going
on, you know, as the extras. I'm not looking for a massive amount of
macro keys or whatever. That isn't to say that I would reject something
because of them, just that that is not a priority. And when I say
something as close to this as possible, that doesn't necessarily have to
include the four keys in the top right corner. I think that they're a...
go back, go forward, favorite, and calculator button. The only one I've
found to be part of my thought process on any regular basis is the
calculator. And even then, the only reason I've used it as much as I
have has been because 75% of the time it gets hit when I'm trying to
pick up the keyboard and accidentally knock against it. I like the
volume control. The media control is, you know, kind of a take it or
leave it thing. The layout is important and the size is kind of
important too. It doesn't have to be massive, but something that's
sturdy with a place that I can grab it with one hand to pick it up.
That's kind of a deal breaker if it's not there. Okay, I'm looking at
the back. It's a Logitech K520, if that helps you.
G: TLDR: You’re
basically looking for a full-size Logitech-style office keyboard
with Bluetooth, integrated palm rest, media keys, and some physical
heft. The closest modern matches are:
- Logitech K780 → closest “Logitech feel,”
multi-device, but slightly compacted layout
- Logitech K650 (Signature) → closest shape +
comfort, but dongle-first (Bluetooth exists via Bolt
workaround)
- Logitech MX Keys (full) → premium version, very
close layout, but slimmer / less “grabby”
- Microsoft Bluetooth Keyboard (full size) → clean
layout, but less tactile + no palm rest
What you actually have
(baseline)
You’re using a entity["product","Logitech K520"]
— that tells me:
- Full 104-key layout + numpad
- Slightly curved, soft-touch keys
- Integrated palm rest (this matters more than people think)
- Dedicated media + volume buttons
- Chunky enough to pick up one-handed without
flexing
That last point is the hardest thing to replicate today. Most modern
keyboards got thinner and lighter.
Closest modern equivalents
1. Best overall match
(function + feel)
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K780 Multi-Device Wireless Keyboard"]
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top view","Logitech K780 desk setup","Logitech K780 keys close
up"],"num_per_query":1}
Why it matches:
- Full layout with numpad
- Dedicated media keys (function row dual-use)
- Solid weight (doesn’t feel flimsy)
- Bluetooth + multi-device switching
- Still very “Logitech office keyboard DNA”
Where it differs:
- Round keys (you’ll notice it for ~1–2 days)
- Built-in device cradle (you may not care)
- Slightly tighter spacing than K520
Verdict: Closest functional successor to
what you’re used to.
2. Closest physical
feel (but with a caveat)
entity["product","Logitech
Signature K650 Wireless Keyboard"]
image_group{"aspect_ratio":"1:1","query":["Logitech K650 keyboard
palm rest","Logitech K650 full layout","Logitech K650 office
setup"],"num_per_query":1}
Why it matches:
- Very similar shape + palm rest + key feel
- Full-size, familiar spacing
- Media keys + volume control
- “Grab it with one hand” sturdiness still there
Problem:
- It’s primarily Logitech Bolt dongle, not native
Bluetooth-first
- (Some setups can pair via Bluetooth depending on model variant, but
it’s not its main identity)
Verdict: This is basically a modern K520,
but it fails your “no dongle” preference unless you compromise.
3. Premium
version (if you’re okay losing some bulk)
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MX Keys (Full Size)"]
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size keyboard","MX Keys backlit keys close up","MX Keys desk
setup"],"num_per_query":1}
Why it matches:
- Full layout + numpad
- Excellent Bluetooth multi-device switching
- Media + volume controls
- High build quality
Where it diverges:
- Low-profile (laptop-style) keys
- No palm rest
- Less “grab handle” feel — more slab than tool
Verdict: Best modern upgrade, but not the
same physical experience.
4. Clean alternative
(non-Logitech)
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Bluetooth Keyboard (Full Size)"]
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Keyboard full size black","Microsoft keyboard top view
minimal","Microsoft keyboard desk setup"],"num_per_query":1}
Why it matches:
- Full layout
- Native Bluetooth
- Simple, no nonsense
Where it falls short:
- No palm rest
- Minimal media controls
- Feels lighter / less “anchored”
Verdict: Functional, but you’ll feel the downgrade
in physical presence.
Straight answer (no hedging)
If your priorities are:
- Layout fidelity + Bluetooth + still feels like a real
object → K780
- Exact feel + comfort + palm rest (but dongle
compromise) → K650
- Modern + clean + premium → MX
Keys
The uncomfortable truth
(worth stating)
What you like about the K520 — especially the grabbable bulk +
integrated palm rest + slightly raised frame — is exactly
what the industry moved away from.
So:
- You can match functionality (easy)
- You can match feel (somewhat)
- You cannot perfectly match both + Bluetooth in one
device anymore
If you want, I can narrow this down harder (like “closest possible
1:1 even if it’s obscure or discontinued” vs “best modern replacement
you won’t regret”).
M: I'd be fine with the MX. Would it
change your answer any if I were trying to... Sorry, if I were to say
that the key reaction is not a problem, but I'd prefer to have the
higher keys?
G: TLDR: Yes —
that does change the answer.
If you want higher keys (more travel / “real keyboard”
feel), the standard MX Keys is actually the wrong
direction. You want either:
- MX Mechanical (Logitech) → closest modern Bluetooth
upgrade with higher keys
- Keychron K10 (or similar full-size mechanical) →
closest to old-school “tall key” feel
- Or a rare middle-ground like K650 (but you already know the
tradeoff)
What you’re really describing
now
You just clarified something important:
You don’t mind responsiveness → but you do care about key
height
That means you’re moving from:
- “scissor switch / laptop-style” → ❌ (MX Keys lives here)
- toward:
- membrane with deeper travel OR mechanical switches
→ ✅ (closer to your K520)
The corrected
recommendations
1. Closest
“modern Logitech, but with real key height”
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MX Mechanical (Full Size)"]
Why this fits better than MX Keys:
- Full-size layout
- Bluetooth + dongle option
- Noticeably taller keys than MX Keys
- More defined keypress (not mushy, not flat)
- Still feels like a tool, not a slab
Reality check:
- It’s not as soft/membrane as your K520
- It will feel more “precise” and slightly firmer
👉 This is the closest true upgrade path from what
you have without losing modern features.
2.
Closest to your actual old keyboard feel (but modern +
Bluetooth)
entity["turn0product39","Keychron
K10 Wireless Mechanical Keyboard"]
Why this is important:
- Full-size, no compromises
- Tall, traditional keycaps (closest to old office
keyboards)
- Bluetooth native
- Heavy enough to pick up one-handed (your requirement)
What changes:
- Mechanical switches = more “click/feedback” than K520
- You can choose quieter switches (red/brown) to avoid noise
👉 If your brain is saying “I want my old keyboard but better,” this
is the honest answer.
3. The “same shape,
softer keys” compromise
entity["turn0product43","Logitech
Signature K650"]
Why it’s still relevant now:
- This is basically your K520 reincarnated
- High-ish keys (for membrane)
- Palm rest + familiar spacing
Updated note:
- It does support Bluetooth Low Energy alongside the dongle
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👉 This becomes more viable than I implied earlier.
4. Honorable mention
(hybrid comfort route)
entity["turn0product0","Logitech
Wave Keys"]
- Higher keys than MX Keys
- Built-in palm rest
- Bluetooth
- Slight ergonomic curve (not extreme)
👉 If comfort mattered more than layout purity, this would creep up
the list.
Straight answer (no hedging)
Your preferences now clearly point to:
- ❌ MX Keys (standard) → too flat, wrong
direction
- ✅ MX Mechanical → best balance of modern +
familiar
- ✅ Keychron K10 → best feel match to what
you’re used to
- ⚠️ K650 → safest, least disruptive, but slightly
less “modern”
The key distinction
(this is the real fork)
You’re choosing between two philosophies:
A. “Feels like
my old keyboard, just Bluetooth now”
→ Keychron K10
B. “Modern keyboard,
but still has real keys”
→ MX Mechanical
If you want me to narrow this down to one based on how you
actually type (heavy press vs light touch, noise tolerance, etc.), I can
cut it to a single pick.
M: Are you sure the MX Mechanical is
Bluetooth? I saw in the display that there was a dongle involved. Is it
like one of those multiple functionality ones? I know that my mouse has
the same kind of thing going on, if that's the case. I just want to make
sure that it's actually, you know, Bluetooth. I don't mind the palm rest
being included, but I would rather go for keyboard functionality. I've
gotten used to picking things up by the corner with the control key
because it has the least chance of screwing up anything that's going on.
Really, the palm rest only comes into play if I'm trying to type from my
lap. That's why it's kind of a take it or leave it thing. I appreciate
it when I'm using it, but when I'm trying to just put the keyboard down,
it can sometimes take up more of a footprint than I might like. So it's
an either or situation, just by its nature.
G: Short
answer:
Yes — the MX Mechanical is Bluetooth. The
dongle you saw is optional.
What’s actually
going on (no marketing fluff)
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MX Mechanical"]
- ✅ Bluetooth (native) — works directly with your
computer, no dongle needed
- ✅ USB receiver (Logitech Bolt) — optional
alternative
- ✅ Can store up to 3 devices and switch between
them
- Same system your mouse likely uses
Logitech explicitly lists Bluetooth as a core
feature, not a fallback citeturn0search0
Why the dongle
exists (and why it confused you)
You’re basically seeing two parallel systems:
1. Bluetooth (what you want)
- Clean, no USB port used
- Slightly more latency (usually irrelevant unless gaming)
- Works across anything modern
2. Logitech Bolt receiver
(the dongle)
- Lower latency / more stable in crowded wireless environments
- Lets multiple Logitech devices share one receiver
- More “enterprise / office reliability” focus
👉 It’s exactly like your mouse situation:
You can ignore the dongle completely if you want.
Important
nuance (this matters for you specifically)
Given your preferences:
“I pick it up one-handed by the corner”
- MX Mechanical is heavier and more rigid than MX
Keys → good
- But still flatter than your K520 → noticeable
difference
- No palm rest → actually helps your footprint
concern
Reality check vs your
original keyboard
| Bluetooth |
❌ |
✅ |
| Key height |
Medium |
Medium-low (but higher than MX Keys) |
| Feel |
Soft membrane |
Firm mechanical |
| Weight / grab |
Good |
Good |
| Palm rest |
Built-in |
❌ |
Blunt
recommendation (based on everything you’ve said)
You’ve basically narrowed yourself to:
If you want:
- “Modern Logitech, clean, Bluetooth, no nonsense” → MX
Mechanical ✔
If you really meant:
- “I want the same physical feel as my current keyboard” →
This will NOT perfectly replicate that
One subtle thing
you might not have considered
You said:
“Key reaction is not a problem”
That’s slightly misleading (and I’m going to push back here):
Mechanical keyboards (MX Mechanical included) don’t just change
reaction — they change:
- Force curve
- Bottom-out behavior
- Sound profile
- Finger fatigue pattern
You’ll notice it within minutes.
Not bad — just different.
Bottom line
- Yes, MX Mechanical is fully Bluetooth
- The dongle is optional, not required
- It’s the correct modern choice given your
constraints
- But it will feel more precise / less cushioned than
what you’re used to
If you want, I can get extremely specific and match you to
the exact switch type (that’s the difference between “this feels right”
and “this feels wrong” with mechanical boards).
M: Okay, here's a potentially
scale-tipping or calibrating question. The one I'm currently working
with has lasted for just years. What's the durability like on the other
two, the ones that you're putting out there, the MX Mechanical and the
Keychron?
G: TLDR:
- MX Mechanical: solid, but battery + low-profile
mechanical = likely 5–8 years real-world
- Keychron K10: built like older keyboards →
easily 10+ years, often longer
- Your K520 lasting ~12 years? → That aligns more with
Keychron than MX Mechanical
Let’s be
blunt about durability (this is the real split)
🟩 Mechanical keyboards
(Keychron side)
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K10 Max Wireless Mechanical Keyboard"]
- Mechanical switches are typically rated for 50+ million
keypresses citeturn0search5
- Real-world lifespan: 5–15 years (often longer with
care) citeturn0search1
- Many parts are replaceable (keycaps, switches,
sometimes battery)
Key advantage:
If something wears out, you fix it, not replace the whole
board.
👉 This is why people still use 10–20-year-old mechanical
keyboards.
🟦 Logitech MX Mechanical
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MX Mechanical Wireless Keyboard"]
What’s different here:
- Still mechanical switches (good)
- But:
- Low-profile switches (shorter lifespan in
practice, even if specs look similar)
- Built-in battery (non-trivial to replace)
- More integrated design → less repairable
Translation:
- The switches themselves are durable
- The keyboard as a system is less so
👉 Expect:
- ~5–8 years typical lifespan
- Battery degradation will likely be the first failure point
The real
comparison (this is the part that matters)
| Switch lifespan |
High |
High |
| Repairability |
Low |
High |
| Battery replaceable |
Difficult |
Easier / or wired fallback |
| Build philosophy |
Integrated |
Modular |
| Real-world lifespan |
~5–8 yrs |
10+ yrs common |
One
thing you implicitly care about (you didn’t say it directly)
Your current keyboard lasted 12–13 years.
That tells me:
- You don’t churn hardware
- You don’t want something disposable
- You value consistency over time
That heavily biases toward:
👉 Keychron philosophy > Logitech MX
philosophy
The honest
interpretation of your situation
If you choose MX Mechanical:
- You’re buying a refined appliance
- It will feel modern, clean, reliable
- But it’s ultimately replaceable hardware
If you choose Keychron:
- You’re buying a tool
- It will feel more like your current keyboard lineage
- It can realistically outlast your current one
One subtle but
important durability factor
Keycaps:
- Logitech → typically thinner, can wear smooth over time
- Keychron → often PBT keycaps (much more resistant
to shine/wear)
That matters over a decade.
Bottom line (no hedging)
Given your history:
- Your K520 lasted ~12 years
- You care about physical feel + sturdiness
👉 Keychron is the only option here that matches that
durability profile
MX Mechanical is still good — just not “decade+ reliable” in the same
way.
If you want, I can narrow the Keychron options (switch type
especially) so you don’t accidentally pick something that feels
wrong even if it lasts forever.
M: The K10 looks like a good
replacement. Now my question is, what's the difference between the
versions? I just looked it up on Amazon and there's like a Pro and a Max
and I guess other variations. What can you tell me?
G: TLDR (clean
version):
- K10 (base) = older, simpler
- K10 Pro = modern baseline (good default)
- K10 Max = newest + best wireless + best
internals
- K10 HE = different tech entirely (skip unless
curious)
If you don’t want to overthink it:
👉 K10 Pro = safe pick
👉 K10 Max = best pick if price difference doesn’t bother
you
The
actual lineup (this is where the confusion comes from)
🟩 Base model (older
generation)
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K10 (standard)"]
- Bluetooth + wired
- Basic firmware (no deep customization)
- Older internal design
👉 Think: “good, but outdated now”
🟦 Mid-tier
(this is where things start making sense)
entity["turn0product0","Keychron
K10 Pro"]
- Bluetooth + wired
- QMK/VIA support (you can remap keys, even
if you don’t plan to) citeturn0search0
- Better internal build (foam, sound dampening, etc.)
- Hot-swappable options (replace switches if needed)
👉 This is the baseline modern Keychron
🟪 New
generation (this is the one I’d push you toward)
entity["turn0product2","Keychron
K10 Max"]
- Bluetooth + 2.4GHz wireless (dongle) + wired
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- Faster, more stable wireless than Bluetooth
- Same customization (QMK)
- Newer internal design + improved feel
👉 Translation:
- You get Bluetooth for normal use
- AND a “perfect connection mode” if you ever want
it
🟥 Oddball version (not what
you want)
entity["turn0product6","Keychron
K10 HE (magnetic switches)"]
- Uses Hall-effect magnetic switches
- Adjustable actuation, gaming-focused
👉 This is a different category entirely
Skip it unless you suddenly decide to min-max keyboards.
What actually
matters for you specifically
You’re not chasing:
- macros
- deep customization
- gaming features
You are chasing:
- durability
- feel
- Bluetooth
- full layout
- something you won’t replace in 5 years
The real differences
that matter (no fluff)
| Bluetooth |
✅ |
✅ |
✅ |
| 2.4GHz (dongle) |
❌ |
❌ |
✅ |
| Build quality |
Good |
Better |
Best |
| Internal dampening |
Minimal |
Improved |
Best |
| Customization |
❌ |
✅ |
✅ |
| Longevity feel |
Good |
Very good |
Best |
The key
decision (this is the only one that matters)
If you want:
- “Set it and forget it, closest to your old keyboard” → K10
Pro
If you want:
- “Same thing, but future-proof and slightly nicer in every way” →
K10 Max
My
recommendation (based on everything you’ve said)
You’re:
- replacing a 12-year keyboard
- sensitive to feel
- not trying to fiddle with software
- okay paying for something that lasts
👉 Get the K10 Max
Not because you need the extra features, but because:
- better internals = better long-term feel
- better wireless = fewer weird issues over time
- no downside except price
One last
thing (this will matter more than Pro vs Max)
When you buy it, you’ll choose a switch type:
- Red → smooth, light, quiet
- Brown → slight bump (closest to your current
keyboard feel)
- Blue → clicky (you’ll regret this unless you
want noise)
👉 For you: Brown
If you want, I can sanity-check a specific Amazon listing before you
buy so you don’t accidentally grab a weird variant (Keychron listings
are notoriously messy).