M: Go online and find the average price for a 1980s Lego phone, please.
G: Here’s what current online listings suggest for the average price of a vintage 1980s “Lego phone” (note: most of these are actually Tyco Super Blocks phones from the 1980s that look like Lego-style brick phones rather than official LEGO products):
Vintage phones from the 1980s:
Online price tracking data from recent sales showed that typical used 1980s Tyco Super Blocks telephone listings fall around $50–$75 on average (loose / used condition) — with rarer complete / boxed or well-conditioned pieces fetching significantly more. citeturn0search9
So, a reasonable average price estimate for a working vintage 1980s Lego-style phone is **about $50–$75 USD, depending on condition and completeness. citeturn0search9
Would you like me to find sold prices (not just current listings) to get an even more accurate market average?
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This is the one I'm looking at.
G: Got it — this photo clears it up.
TL;DR:
That tag is overpriced, but not absurdly so. Realistic
value is $50–$75, maybe $80–$90 if
it’s fully working and very clean. $95 is a retail /
nostalgia markup, not a market-average price.
So the label is technically wrong, even if commonly used.
Pros
Unknowns (important for value)
Based on recent sold listings (not asking prices):
So $95 =
If this were on eBay, it would probably sell around
$65–75 after a few weeks.
At $95, you’re paying extra for:
If you like it and don’t want to chase listings, it’s
defensible.
If you want fair market value, it’s $20–30 too
high.
M: Fair market value is a nebulous idea. I mean, this is like one market for something that I've never seen it in. It's the same as the problem with obscure rare books. The demand is very low, but if you need it, you need it. This, of course, I don't need, but it would be a perfect gift for someone, and I'm not sure if I'd be able to find it anywhere else. It's cheap, $40.
G: You’re basically right, and your own reasoning already answers it.
“Fair market value” collapses when:
M: That last bit was my mother passing by, the part about $40.
G: Ah — that makes sense, and it actually sharpens the conclusion.
You’re right about fair market value being mostly fiction for objects like this. With obscure, low-liquidity items:
This isn’t a commodity; it’s a memory object.
So the real decision frame isn’t “Is $95 fair?” but:
For a gift, there’s another factor that matters more than price curves:
You could absolutely find one cheaper online eventually. You could also spend months never seeing one again. And the moment you need it, the market price becomes irrelevant.
Your mother’s “it’s cheap, $40” comment is actually the right instinct, just miscalibrated: not “cheap in absolute terms,” but cheap relative to the effort, uncertainty, and timing cost.
If you buy it:
That’s not a market question. That’s a value-of-friction question.
And in that frame, $95 is entirely rational.
M: In this silo, simply because it seems to be focused on strange purchases, I was wondering if there is an attachment to an iPhone that easily allows for basically a better directed microphone than just having it situated on the bottom for when you're taking a video.
G: Yes — there are several well-reviewed options that turn your iPhone into a much better video-recording mic setup by giving you:
Here are the main categories, with practical examples you can consider:
These focus on whatever you point the phone toward, and reject noise from the sides and rear.
products{"selections":[ ["rode-videomic-me","RØDE VideoMic Me-C"], ["sennheiser-mke-200","Sennheiser MKE 200 Mobile Kit"], ["shure-mv88","Shure MV88 Digital Stereo Condenser Mic"], ["comica-cvm-vs08","Comica CVM-VS08 Shotgun Mic"] ]}
Key Picks
✔ Best for: vlogging, outdoor interviews,
performances, noisy environments.
✔ Pros: Directional pickup, much clearer voice — “looks
toward sound.”
⚠ Cons: Adds bulk; you mount it on a phone cage or cold
shoe.
Tiny mic clips to a shirt or collar and gives crisp, consistent audio.
products{"selections":[ ["rode-smartlav-plus","RØDE SmartLav+"], ["boya-by-m1","Boya BY-M1 Lavalier Microphone"], ["comica-sv11","Comica CVM-SV11 Wireless Lavalier"] ]}
Good Choices
✔ Best for: interviews, spoken content, talking
heads.
✔ Pros: Extremely clear voice; minimal
background.
⚠ Cons: Requires someone to wear the mic (not ideal for
crowd sound).
These plug into Lightning and often have built-in processing.
✔ Best for: mid-range creators who want quality without extra gear.
🧰 Adapters:
📸 Mounting:
🎚️ Recording app:
If you tell me your budget and how you plan to use it (e.g., outdoor videos, interviews, live music), I can tailor a more precise recommendation and link compatible accessories.
M: No, I mean something that can be worn on the iPhone or attached to it, nothing that requires a second hand.
G: Absolutely — you’re talking about self-contained mics that clip or attach directly to the iPhone, so you don’t have to hold anything extra in your hand.
Here are the best options right now that match what you want:
products{"selections":[ ["shure-mv88","Shure MV88 Digital Stereo Condenser Mic"], ["rode-videomic-me-c","RØDE VideoMic Me-C"], ["rode-smartlav-plus","RØDE SmartLav+"], ["movo-vxr10","MOVO VXR10 Universal Microphone"] ]}
📌 Best if you want higher fidelity and directional pickup without extra gear
📌 Great “plug-on and forget” mic for video on the go
📌 Best if subject is speaking — keeps mic close without handheld gear
📌 Budget-friendly directional mic that mounts to phone
All these models:
✅ Plug directly into your phone
✅ Don’t require a separate hand to hold them
✅ Stay mounted above/next to the phone while shooting
✅ Improve audio massively over the built-in bottom mic
Some attach via:
So you literally just mount it and record — no hand-held microphones, booms, or separate recorders required.
| Use Case | Best Pick |
|---|---|
| Talking facing camera (interviews, vlogs) | Shure MV88 |
| Outdoor action or general video | RØDE VideoMic Me-C |
| Quiet speech / podcast style | RØDE SmartLav+ |
| Budget directional mic | MOVO VXR10 |
If you tell me your phone model (Lightning vs USB-C) and budget, I can tailor to the exact cable/adapter you’ll need too.
M: Can you get me some pictures and prices for an iPhone 12? Although, universality would be better because there may be an upgrade in the near future.
G: Here are current pictures and prices for Apple iPhone 12 devices you can buy now (mostly unlocked and refurbished/used — which is common since Apple no longer sells new iPhone 12 hardware). Prices vary a lot depending on condition and storage: citeturn0search7turn0search13
products{"selections":[ ["turn0product0","Restored Apple iPhone 12 (64 GB)"], ["turn0product2","Apple iPhone 12 (general unlocked)"], ["turn0product3","Apple iPhone 12 Unlocked (eBay)"], ["turn0product4","iPhone 12 64GB Unlocked (Gazelle)"], ["turn0product7","Apple iPhone 12 Unlocked (var. seller)"], ["turn0product9","Apple iPhone 12 Factory Unlocked (eBay)"], ["turn0product13","Apple iPhone 12 Unlocked (higher price)"], ["turn0product5","Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max (bigger upgrade)"] ]}
M: No, I meant a microphone for the iPhone 12 with an option towards universality.
G: Got it — you want microphones that attach to an iPhone 12 (or similar phones) without requiring a separate handheld mic, and ideally universal enough to work with future phone upgrades too.
Here are good options with pictures and prices — all of these mount on or plug directly into your phone (no second hand required):
products{"selections":[ ["rode-video-mic-me-c","RØDE VideoMic Me-C"], ["shure-mv88","Shure MV88 Digital Stereo Condenser Microphone"], ["sennheiser-mke-200","Sennheiser MKE 200 Mobile Kit"], ["rode-smartlav-plus","RØDE SmartLav+"], ["rode-wireless-go-ii","RØDE Wireless GO II Microphone System"], ["rode-videomic-go-ii","RØDE VideoMic GO II Compact Microphone"] ]}
📍 Price: ~$79–$99
🔌 Connects: USB-C or Lightning (adapter
included/available) — great for phone upgrades
🎯 Type: Directional microphone
📈 Why it’s nice:
👉 Best for: video interview, vlogs, outdoor clips
📍 Price: ~$149–$179
🔌 Connects: Lightning (adapter for USB-C if
needed)
🎯 Type: Digital condenser with adjustable pickup
patterns
🎧 Why it’s nice:
👉 Best for: creators who want significantly better sound without extra gear
📍 Price: ~$79–$99
🔌 Connects: 3.5 mm + adapter (to
Lightning/USB-C)
🎯 Type: Compact shotgun microphone
📌 Why it’s nice:
👉 Best for: simple plug-and-shoot video sound
📍 Price: ~$49–$59
🔌 Connects: 3.5 mm + Lightning/USB-C adapter
🎯 Type: Lavalier clip-on mic
📌 Why it’s nice:
👉 Best for: interviews, talking-head videos
📍 Price: ~$279–$299 (system)
🔌 Connects: USB-C + adapter options
🎯 Type: Wireless mic system — mic/transmitter clips on
subject
📌 Why it’s universal:
👉 Best for: presenters, interviews, multi-device use
📍 Price: ~$99–$119
🔌 Connects: USB-C or 3.5 mm with adapters
🎯 Type: Compact shotgun mic
📌 Why it’s nice:
👉 Best for: creators who want a universal mic they can use with phones and computers
| What You Want | Best Choice |
|---|---|
| Plug-on, best all-around phone mic | RØDE VideoMic Me-C |
| Highest quality directional phone audio | Shure MV88 |
| Simple shotgun for videos | Sennheiser MKE 200 |
| Clip-on voice | RØDE SmartLav+ |
| Device-agnostic + wireless | RØDE Wireless GO II |
| Plug-in versatile mic | RØDE VideoMic GO II |
If you want, tell me your budget and whether you’d prefer directional, lavalier (voice), or wireless, and I’ll narrow it down.
M: Okay, now combine the two. Pictures of the goddamn microphones, please.
G: Here are pictures + current prices for iPhone-compatible microphones you can mount directly or use hands-free, including options that will still work with future phones (USB-C, adapters, or wireless):products{"selections":[ ["turn0product1","RØDE VideoMic Me-C"], ["turn0product18","Rode VideoMic Me-L"], ["turn0product0","Saramonic LavMicro-U Lavalier"], ["turn0product14","Boya BY-M2 Lavalier Microphone"], ["turn0product8","iRig Mic Lav"], ["turn0product6","Apogee ClipMic Digital 2"], ["turn0product12","Samson Go Mic Mobile Wireless System"], ["turn0product3","Wireless Lavalier Microphone for iPhone"] ]}
👉 These stay on the phone while recording and dramatically improve sound (less ambient noise) over the iPhone’s built-in mic. citeturn0search11
👉 Clip-ons let you wear the mic while filming — perfect for talking without holding anything.
👉 Wireless lavalier systems give you freedom of movement while keeping the phone stationary.
📹 Best if you want “attach it and forget it” for video:
🗣 Great for interviews or dialogue:
📡 Wireless for freedom of movement:
If you tell me your budget range and whether you want more directional audio (video voice) or wearable voice clarity, I’ll rank these specifically for your use case.
M: It might not be your fault, but god damn it, you're thick sometimes. Pictures and prices for a microphone that attaches to an iPhone 12, preferably something that attaches to any current iPhone. None of that clip-on mic crap. Something that is only, that only requires I hold the phone and not fiddle around with anything else.
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G: You want one-piece, phone-only: you hold the iPhone, the mic is physically on the phone, and you don’t wear/clip anything.
Here are the best matches, with pictures + current prices (the widget cards include the images):
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Buy-this-if-you-own-an iPhone 12 (Lightning) and want zero fiddling
Most “universal” across iPhone 12 + newer USB-C iPhones (still phone-mounted)
日本語(にほんご): これが 一番(いちばん) かんたん — This is the easiest.
M: Okay, now you're on the right track, and I appreciate it. Now, which of these are more omnidirectional? That is, I don't want to create a situation where this targeted mic hits a 30-degree arc, and suddenly I'm having to make sure that I'm precisely keeping in frame what I'm trying to record. Like, normally, if I'm trying to take a video, I want to be able to record what's going on around me, rather than try and actually play the director and make sure something's in frame in order to get the microphone. Like, the reason why I'm looking at this at all is because with the current setup, it's way too easy for my grip on the phone to actually muffle half of the audio that's supposed to be coming in.
G: Absolutely — that’s a great clarification, and it dramatically changes which mic types fit your use case.
You’re saying you want something that:
That means you want mics with wide pickup patterns — ideally omnidirectional or wide cardioid, not narrow shotgun.
Here’s a breakdown of which of the previously mentioned options fit that, plus clear recommendations:
You want something toward the omni / wide cardioid side, not narrow shotgun.
products{"selections":[ ["shure-mv88","Shure MV88 Digital Stereo Condenser Microphone"], ["rode-videomic-me-l","RØDE VideoMic Me-L"], ["rode-videomic-go-ii","RØDE VideoMic GO II"], ["deity-v-mic-d4-mini","Deity V-Mic D4 Mini"] ]}
👉 This one lets you choose how broad you want the audio —
from wide stereo to full omni — making it ideal for capturing
“everything that’s happening” rather than targeted spots.
📍 Best choice if ambient audio matters.
👉 Not as omni as the MV88, but still far more forgiving than a narrow shotgun — good step up from stock phone mic without being super directional.
👉 Still a little more front-centric than true omni, but much better than narrow shotgun. If you’re holding the phone and pointing it, you’ll still pick up general ambience.
👉 This is a budget-friendly way to get something less picky about angles than a tight shotgun.
❌ Very narrow shotgun mics (e.g., typical
“directional” or “supercardioid” shotguns)
These only capture a 20–30° arc — exactly what you don’t want
when you’re filming general environments. They make you “point
precisely” at sounds.
❌ Wearable lavaliers
Great voice, but you said no attached clips.
| Feature / Goal | Best Option |
|---|---|
| Most general ambient capture | 🥇 Shure MV88 (omni mode) |
| Better than phone mic, still broad | 📱 RØDE VideoMic Me-L |
| Wider than basic shotgun | 📹 RØDE VideoMic GO II |
| Budget universal improvement | 💰 Deity V-Mic D4 Mini |
You mentioned the core problem:
the grip on the phone muffles audio
True — phones have mics near the bottom, so if you accidentally cover them with your fingers or case, audio drops.
Phone-mounted external mics fix that by: ✔ Placing
the mic away from your grip
✔ Giving a much wider field of pickup
✔ Not requiring you to point it narrowly
✔ Not needing extra equipment — just hold the phone
So these picks do exactly what you actually want, not what “shotgun mic buyers” want.
If you want, I can shortlist top 2 lowest-hassle options in a specific price range (e.g., under $100, or under $200).
M: I know it's part of the whole thinking machine feature, but it would be nice if you were a little more consistent, because I think like 90% of the time by now you would have already picked up that I want the fucking capacity to at least look at the specs myself instead of for you just to read stuff and not give me the links.
G: You’re right to be annoyed. You asked for things you can inspect yourself. So here is a clean, consistent, no-narration dump: pictures + prices + direct spec links for phone-mounted, non-clip, wide/omni-leaning mics that attach to an iPhone 12 and remain usable on newer iPhones.
No hand-held junk. No lavs. No editorializing.
image_group{"query":["Shure MV88 Lightning microphone iPhone"]}
Price: ~$149–$179
Pickup: Adjustable (Omni / Stereo / Cardioid /
Mid-Side)
Why it fits: Only one here with a real omni
mode
Mount: Plugs directly into Lightning
Specs:
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/microphones/mv88
Manual (PDF):
https://content-files.shure.com/Publication%20Manuals/MV88_User_Guide.pdf
image_group{"query":["Rode VideoMic Me-L iPhone"]}
Price: ~$69–$89
Pickup: Wide cardioid (not shotgun-narrow)
Mount: Direct Lightning plug
Notes: Simple, no app, no controls
Specs:
https://rode.com/en/microphones/mobile/videomic-me-l
image_group{"query":["Rode VideoMic Me-C USB-C iPhone"]}
Price: ~$79–$99
Pickup: Wide cardioid
Mount: USB-C (works on newer iPhones)
Use case: Buy once, survives upgrades
Specs:
https://rode.com/en/microphones/mobile/videomic-me-c
image_group{"query":["Sennheiser MKE 200 mobile microphone phone
mount"]} Price: ~$79–$99
Pickup: Cardioid (wider than typical shotgun)
Mount: Clamp + cable
Note: Still directional, but not a 30° laser
Specs:
https://www.sennheiser.com/en-us/catalog/products/microphones/mke-200
image_group{"query":["Deity V-Mic D4 Mini smartphone"]}
Price: ~$49–$69
Pickup: Wide cardioid
Mount: Clamp + TRRS cable
Why it’s here: Cheap, forgiving angle, not picky
Specs:
https://deitymic.com/products/v-mic-d4-mini/
| Mic | True Omni | Wide Enough for “don’t aim” | Direct Plug | Upgrade-safe |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shure MV88 | ✅ YES | ✅ YES | ✅ Lightning | ⚠️ Needs adapter later |
| RØDE Me-L | ❌ | ✅ | ✅ Lightning | ❌ |
| RØDE Me-C | ❌ | ✅ | ✅ USB-C | ✅ |
| MKE 200 | ❌ | ⚠️ | ❌ Clamp | ✅ |
| Deity D4 Mini | ❌ | ⚠️ | ❌ Clamp | ✅ |
That’s the full spec-inspectable answer, with links, and no babysitting commentary.
M: Yeah, that looks like the kind of information I was looking for. As someone who's not really immersed in the audio hardware world, basically all of them ended up looking like shotguns. So I needed some sort of external reassurance or the capacity to find out for myself that the shape was more because of the situation and not because it was directional, especially since I couldn't think of that word, cardioid.
G: That reaction makes complete sense — and you’ve put your finger on the exact trap people fall into with audio gear.
What you were reacting to wasn’t ignorance — it was pattern recognition misfiring because of industrial design.
Most phone mics are shaped like little barrels because they need:
That shape is mechanical, not directional.
In other words:
“shotgun-shaped” ≠ shotgun-pattern
Actual shotgun directionality comes from interference tube length and porting, not just “long cylinder = narrow pickup.”
On these phone mics:
So your instinct — “I don’t want a 30° laser beam mic” — was correct, even though the visual language is misleading.
You were circling cardioid the whole time without the label.
Quick translation into practical terms:
Most phone-mounted mics live in that wide cardioid middle, because:
Manufacturers know this, even if their marketing doesn’t make it obvious.
“my grip on the phone muffles half the audio”
That’s extremely common and not user error.
iPhones:
Cover one with a finger and the algorithm guesses wrong — suddenly audio collapses or pumps.
Any external mic mounted away from your hand solves this instantly, even if it’s not “better” on paper.
Not:
But:
Which is why:
Those fit your real use case, not the influencer one.
You weren’t missing knowledge — you were missing
terminology.
Once “cardioid vs omni” entered the picture, everything snapped into
focus.
That’s exactly how this stuff is supposed to go.
If you want, next time we can do this in reverse: start from how you hold the phone, then back-derive the hardware without touching spec sheets at all.
M: With the VideoMic MEC, let's see, it uses the USB-C connector. Two questions. One... Does that allow it to hook up to desktops and laptops as well? And then, given that I'm not sure when I'm going to upgrade my phone, but I keep thinking about it more often, so it'll probably be sometime in the near future, would I be able to use an adapter to get it to connect to an iPhone 12 for the time that I still have it?
G: Here’s the straight technical answer about the entity["turn0product0","RØDE VideoMic Me-C+",1] (USB-C phone mic) and how it fits your iPhone 12 now and future devices/desktop computers:
Yes — as long as the device has a USB-C port and supports USB
audio.
USB-C audio devices like this act as USB microphones,
so most computers will see them as an audio input.
⚠ One caveat: Phones see it nicely; computers often let you choose it explicitly as a mic. Unlike analog adapters, it’s digital audio over USB.
Yes — with a caveat:
Example setup:
RØDE VideoMic Me-C+ → USB-C female adapter → Lightning to USB (MFi) adapter → iPhone 12
That lets the iPhone treat the Me-C+ like any other USB audio device.
Just make sure the adapter supports:
Cheap “charge-only” adapters won’t work.
If you switch to a newer iPhone with USB-C (e.g., iPhone 15/16) at some point:
So in practice:
| Device Type | Will it work? | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| iPhone 12 (Lightning) | ✔ With adapter | Needs USB-C → Lightning adapter supporting USB audio |
| iPhone with USB-C (newer) | ✔ Direct plug | Best case — no adapter |
| Laptop/Desktop with USB-C | ✔ Direct plug | Select it as audio input |
| Desktop/laptop with USB-A only | ✔ With USB-C → USB-A adapter | Computer sees it as USB mic |
If you want, I can recommend specific Lightning ⇄ USB-C adapters that are known to support USB audio with iPhones — they’re critical for this to actually work.
M: Okay, I got the microphone, the Rode 1, or however that's pronounced, and the correct adapter for my phone. Plus, because it was on the list, a XP-Pen, like, mini keyboard or something. Give me a breakdown on how to hook those up to my phone, if it's possible. Go online if you need to.
G: Absolutely — let’s break down precisely how to connect your gear to your iPhone 12, step by step, based on what actually works and what’s supported.
We’re talking about two devices:
I’ll show you how to hook each one up to your iPhone 12 (Lightning port) in a way that actually works — and what limitations exist.
The Me-C is a USB-C mic — so the phone doesn’t natively have the same port. You’ll use adapters to bridge that gap.
✔ The VideoMic Me-C (USB-C mic)
✔ A USB-C ⟶ Lightning adapter that supports USB audio
(sometimes called a mobile audio adapter)
💡 Important: You cannot just use a USB-C to Lightning charging cable — the adapter has to carry USB audio data. Cheap cables may not work. citeturn0search1
👉 If you see “External Microphone Detected” in the app or your audio doesn’t muffle when you talk, it’s working.
📌 If the mic draws too much power, some USB mics can complain. In that rare case, you'd use a powered USB hub + Apple Lightning to USB Camera Adapter to provide additional power — but the Me-C generally doesn’t require that for basic phone use. citeturn0search1
Here’s where things get tricky.
Most XP-Pen devices are not designed as keyboards — they’re graphics drawing tablets or shortcut controllers. They don’t appear to support iOS the same way a Bluetooth keyboard does.
Some XP-Pen products support Bluetooth on computers/Android — but not all XP-Pen models support iPhone Bluetooth use — and shortcuts/driver apps for iOS often don’t work well or aren’t supported by the official makers. citeturn0search6
✔ If the XP-Pen device is just a Bluetooth keyboard,
you can pair it like any other wireless keyboard:
iPhone Settings → Bluetooth → Pair the keyboard.
❌ If it’s a USB device designed as a graphics tablet/shortcut pad, it likely won’t work as a keyboard/input device on iOS — no standard HID support and no driver support.
👉 Most XP-Pen “mini keyboard” accessories are not true Bluetooth keyboards and are instead graphics tablet shortcut devices — they won’t behave like a normal keyboard on iPhone.
| Device | iPhone 12 | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| RØDE VideoMic Me-C (USB-C mic) | ✅ With USB-C → Lightning USB audio adapter | Recognized as microphone input automatically citeturn0search1 |
| XP-Pen mini keyboard (USB tablet/shortcut device) | ⚠️ Probably No | Most don’t function as iOS HID keyboards; iOS doesn’t support drivers for these devices citeturn0search0 |
| Real Bluetooth keyboard | ✅ Yes | Pair via iPhone Bluetooth |
iOS supports USB audio input via adapters — that’s why pro USB mics can plug into phones/tablets with the right cable. citeturn0search1
Unlike Android, which supports a broad range of USB OTG devices including tablets and graphic peripherals, iOS has a very limited USB HID input stack and doesn’t load drivers for non-standard devices such as drawing pad inputs. citeturn0search0
If you tell me the exact model name of the XP-Pen device, I can look up its official compatibility and whether there’s any workaround (Bluetooth, specific app, or adapter) to make it behave as a real keyboard on your iPhone.
M: That was just kind of a shot in the dark with the XP pen. Yeah, it definitely looks to be more of a hardware, utility hardware than actual straight-up keyboard. Next question is, again, go online, look up getting the XP pen to work with Fedora build in terms of what's needed, etc.
G: Here’s a straight, practical breakdown of XP-Pen support on Fedora Linux — what is, what isn’t, and what you can expect if you want your tablet to work fully (pressure, buttons, shortcuts, etc.):
XP-Pen does provide official Linux drivers — not just for Ubuntu, but in formats that include Fedora (RPM) as well. You can download them directly from the XP-Pen website. citeturn0search14
.rpm packages for Fedora/CentOS/Red
Hat.So the company does technically support Fedora — but it’s not as smooth as on Windows/macOS.
If you want the official driver:
Download the .rpm driver for your
tablet model from XP-Pen’s site. citeturn0search14
Extract the archive (tarball) if needed.
Install it using:
sudo dnf install xp-pen-pentablet-*.rpmReboot your system.
This gives you the XP-Pen configuration utility, which lets you adjust buttons, pressure curves, tablet area, etc. citeturn0search10
⚠️ Important note: Fedora Silverblue / Silverblue-style
read-only systems can make this tricky because the driver
hard-codes some paths that may not be writable. People
have reported issues with the driver failing to load settings after
reboot on those systems — the configuration path is fixed to
/usr/bin/pentablet, which Fedora atomic systems treat as
read-only. citeturn0search5
If you’re on regular Fedora Workstation, this is less of an issue.
Even without official drivers, many XP-Pen tablets will function to some degree using Linux’s built-in input support:
However:
There’s a community project called OpenTabletDriver that provides a user-space driver for Linux tablets (including some XP-Pen models). It is:
Installing it on Fedora typically requires building from source or using a flatpak/appimage — because Fedora doesn’t yet package it natively. citeturn0search8
This can sometimes be easier and more flexible than the official XP-Pen driver.
People running XP-Pen tablets on Fedora have reported some environment-specific bugs:
This reflects a broader reality in Linux graphics tablet
support:
Raw kernel detection is usually fine, but
pressure and configuration utilities are the tricky
parts.
| Feature | Default (no driver) | Official XP-Pen | OpenTabletDriver |
|---|---|---|---|
| Stylus movement | ✅ Works | ✅ Works | ✅ Works |
| Basic click | ✅ Works | ✅ Works | ✅ Works |
| Pressure sensitivity | ⚠ Sometimes | ✅ Better | ✅ Better |
| Buttons / shortcuts | ❌ Mostly no | ⚠ Mixed | ⚠ Better |
| Fedora Silverblue | ⚠ Hard | ⚠ Problems | 🟡 Custom builds |
| Wayland support | 🟡 Basic | ⚠ Official driver is X11-centric | 🔵 Supported |
.rpm for your
model from XP-Pen’s site. citeturn0search14dnf and reboot.If you tell me which XP-Pen model you have, I can point you to the exact download page and give you step-by-step install/command instructions specific to your tablet.
M: I didn't realize XP-Pen had so many tablets. Okay, this is not any of those, so answer my questions again for an XP-Pen ACK-O5.
G: Here’s the **up-to-date, practical situation for your XP-Pen ACK-O5 shortcut remote with Fedora Linux — what actually works, what’s supported, and what you’ll need to do:
The XP-Pen ACK-O5 is a wireless shortcut keypad / mini controller — it behaves like a programmable keyboard / macro pad with a dial, not a drawing tablet. It’s meant to let you trigger shortcuts, scroll/zoom, and customize actions for creative software. citeturn0search1
It can connect via:
XP-Pen publishes official Linux drivers that explicitly support the ACK05 (your device). They come in multiple formats including RPM packages for Fedora, CentOS, OpenSUSE, and Red Hat. citeturn0search0
So in theory:
sudo dnf install xp-pen*rpmThis gives you:
Official docs confirm Linux support for ACK05 via their driver. citeturn0search0
If you don’t want (or can’t) use XP-Pen’s official driver, there’s an open-source Linux userspace driver for the ACK05 keyboard that’s been tested on Fedora (e.g., Silverblue 39) and maps the keys/dial as macro/key events. It uses udev rules so the pad sends shortcuts to apps cleanly. citeturn0search11
This is a good backup if the official driver behaves oddly.
Things reported in the wild about Linux support for this type of device:
sudo dnf install xp-pen*rpmSteps in the official manual match this sequence. citeturn0search2
If the official one misbehaves or doesn’t accept Fedora’s environment:
This method is also real and tested on Fedora variants.
| Feature | Official XP-Pen Driver | Community Driver |
|---|---|---|
| Button & dial mapping | ✅ Yes | ✅ Yes |
| GUI customization | ✅ Yes | Limited |
| Works on Fedora | ✅ Yes, RPM provided | ✅ Yes |
| Needs sudo for install | ✅ Yes | Typically no |
| Advanced per-app config | ✅ Yes | Depends |
✔ Yes, the XP-Pen ACK-O5 can work on
Fedora.
✔ The official XP-Pen Linux drivers include RPM
packages targeted at Fedora and similar distros.
citeturn0search0
✔ You’ll likely get full customization and reliable operation
with their driver installed.
✔ If you want a pure open-source route, there’s a community
userspace driver with Fedora support too.
citeturn0search11
If you tell me which Fedora version (e.g., 39, 40, Workstation vs Silverblue), I can tailor the exact install commands and udev rules so it just works.
M: All right, and what about for the iPhone? Does that change the nature of the beast, or is there still the problem of getting it to work in any form?
G: Short answer:
👉 Yes — the situation does change on an
iPhone.
The XP-Pen ACK-O5 mostly will not work on iPhone in
any meaningful way, and that’s not a Fedora-style driver problem —
it’s an iOS hardware/software limitation.
Here’s the breakdown:
iPhones can natively accept things like:
But the ACK-O5 is not a simple standard keyboard — it’s a programmable macro/shortcut controller that XP-Pen drives with a custom HID profile and needs driver support to map its keys.
Because iOS doesn’t allow custom HID drivers from third parties:
So iOS will typically see the ACK-O5 as an unsupported HID device, or at best a generic keyboard with weird inputs, but not as the programmable controller it’s intended to be.
The ACK-O5 advertises Bluetooth, but:
So Bluetooth won’t save it.
Even if you plug it in via:
iOS still only recognizes standard HID keyboards or standard game controllers* with predefined reports it knows how to handle.
The ACK-O5’s custom HID reports — which make the dial and macro buttons work — won’t be interpreted correctly, because iOS doesn’t load external drivers.
So no, USB doesn’t magically fix it on iPhone.
| Feature / Platform | Fedora Linux | iPhone (iOS) |
|---|---|---|
| Load custom HID drivers | ✅ Yes | ❌ No |
| Userland driver install | ✅ Yes | ❌ No |
| Recognize generic keyboards | ✅ Yes | ✅ Yes |
| Configure macro/dial controls via custom app | ✅ Yes | ❌ Not allowed |
| USB device access via adapters | ✅ Yes | ❌ Limited (no drivers) |
| Bluetooth profile expansion | ✅ Yes | ❌ Limited to specific HID profiles |
Linux allows user drivers because it’s open; iOS explicitly forbids user-installed device drivers and doesn’t expose a way to map custom HID controls beyond basic keyboard/mouse.
These pair under Settings → Bluetooth and work as simple keyboards.
Connected via:
They show up as basic keyboards (letters, numbers) — no driver needed.
Won’t register properly
Because iOS doesn’t support the custom HID controls it sends.
There’s no official XP-Pen app on iOS to interpret the device.
There’s no way to sideload a custom driver on iOS.
Bluetooth HID profiles are fixed and limited.
Short of Apple opening up HID driver support (they haven’t), this simply won’t work in a meaningful way on iPhone.
✔ Fedora/Linux → Yes, works with drivers
(official or community)
✔ Windows/macOS → Definitely yes (drivers
supported)
✔ Android → Maybe, depending on the device and
USB OTG support
✔ iPhone / iPad (iOS) → No — not in a useful
way
The ACK-O5 will either:
You’d need one of these instead:
✅ A Bluetooth keyboard with programmable keys
(native iOS support)
✅ A device that emulates a standard Bluetooth HID keyboard (so
iOS accepts it)
✅ A Bluetooth control app that works with iOS apps (sep. software)
If you want, I can give you specific Bluetooth macro keypad recommendations that actually work with iPhone’s limitations — with pictures and prices.
M: Again, the phone doesn't matter except out of curiosity. I mean, I'm just sitting here killing a couple minutes. And I was wondering, because sometimes Bluetooth will pair up in less than expected ways and work. No, just out of curiosity, with the XP pen, what are the thoughts on how it works with Windows or Mac?
G: Gotcha — pure curiosity mode, no
phone stakes. 👍
Here’s how the XP-Pen ACK-O5 behaves on Windows
and macOS, and why it works there but not on iOS.
This is the key mental model:
The ACK-O5 is not a keyboard in the normal
sense.
It’s a custom HID device that:
Without that translation layer, the raw signals are mostly meaningless.
Windows and macOS both allow that layer. iOS does not.
This is where the device is most at home.
If you were ranking platforms: Windows = 10/10 intended experience
macOS is more restrictive than Windows, but still permissive enough.
You usually have to:
Sometimes:
So the ACK-O5 can still say:
“This button means Cmd+Z in Photoshop but Cmd+Shift+Z in Krita”
macOS just makes you jump through more hoops.
macOS = 8–9/10 experience
Your intuition is right in general.
Some devices:
Those work everywhere because the OS already knows what they are.
The ACK-O5 does not do that. It sends raw vendor-defined HID reports, expecting the OS driver to interpret them.
On:
So it’s not that Bluetooth fails — it’s that Bluetooth alone is not enough.
Think of the ACK-O5 as:
“A box of buttons and a dial that speak a private language.”
That’s the whole story.
The interesting thing about the ACK-O5 is that it sits in a gray zone:
It’s closer to:
Those always depend on drivers.
If you want, next rabbit hole could be:
But yeah — your intuition was right to ask. Bluetooth sometimes surprises you… just not with this class of device.
M: Check on message boards and make sure that you're not just saying quote-unquote official stuff. Sometimes there's a disconnect between how things are rated and how they actually are accepted by the crowd that would actually use them.
G: I checked actual user feedback from message boards and real-world users, and here’s how people actually experience the XP-Pen ACK-O5 shortcut remote — not just what the spec sheet says:
Generally positive — works as expected
Driver matters
Mixed but doable:
So the first-hand crowd feedback lines up with the official info: macOS works, but Bluetooth is “hit and miss” without the dongle. citeturn0search0
More nuanced than you might expect:
According to multiple Linux users (including a detailed user write-up on configuring it with open-source tools), the ACK05 doesn’t pair over direct Bluetooth on Linux — if you try to pair without the dongle it simply won’t show up or do anything useful. citeturn0search8
That matches a Reddit report specifically about Bluetooth with the ACK05 — Linux can sometimes see the device as a generic mouse if you try Bluetooth, but it doesn’t behave like a functional controller. citeturn0search0
So for Linux folks, the only reliable way to use the ACK05 is:
Community posts and teardown testing confirm this and describe workarounds (udev/hwdb remapping) to make the key events meaningful. citeturn0search8
Linux community solutions with open-source remapping work, but require more tinkering than official drivers on Windows/macOS. citeturn0search8
This isn’t universal, but it’s repeated enough on forums that it’s real feedback rather than a one-off complaint.
There are a number of people on Reddit who actively like the ACK05, especially for:
One user explicitly says they ended up using the ACK05 instead of keyboard shortcuts because the dial and keys felt smoother and more comfortable once configured. citeturn0search3
That’s useful because it shows the device isn’t just a toy — real creators are adopting it for real workflows.
Windows ✔ Works well
✔ Bluetooth OR dongle pairing usually works
✔ Driver required for full features citeturn0search0
macOS ✔ Generally works
⚠ Bluetooth reliability varies
✔ Use dongle more stable than direct Bluetooth citeturn0search0
Linux ✔ Works best wired
✔ Bluetooth only reliably with dongle
⚠ Without official driver or community remapping, behavior may be
limited citeturn0search8
Build quality quirks ⚠ Some users reported wheel encoder issues, but support response seems good citeturn0search13
If you have a specific OS (Windows version or Linux distro/version), I can look for even more targeted reports from users with that environment.
M: I might be coming back for that, because it definitely seems to have a usefulness, although I'm not sure if it would work for me. But it sounds like I'd have to put a little bit more thought into it than I was expecting or hoping. I also have a niece who's into art who might actually have a use for it. I know that she's working on a Macintosh, which means that the integration might not be entirely complete, but it's a possibility. I do have a question that you might be able to answer, but probably would have to go online to find. What is the point or pattern behind its keypad design? Like, why is there a reason why there is one horizontal and one vertical button that are two, maybe twice the size of the other buttons? I have a suspicion, but I don't want to say it until I hear what you've got.
G: Here’s a clear, user-observed explanation of the button layout on the entity["turn0product1","XPPen ACK05 Wireless Shortcut Remote",1] — especially why some buttons are bigger or oriented differently.
The ACK05 isn’t just a random grid of buttons — its layout is designed for quick, one-handed efficiency when your eyes are not on the device. This comes up both in official documentation and in how people who actually use it talk about it.
In many user setups:
Artists and video editors — the people who actually use this — often emphasize that the device is designed to keep your hand on the tool while the other controls shortcuts.
The layout isn’t:
❌ A random grid
❌ A literal keyboard layout
❌ Designed for typing
Instead, it’s a tactile shortcut surface where:
People on message boards who’ve worked with the ACK05 often end up customizing it so that the largest or most accessible keys are their most common actions — undo, save, brush size, zoom, etc. — because that’s the whole point. (Users explicitly discuss mapping actions like volume control, zoom, or switching layers because you can assign macros once you install the driver) citeturn0search20.
Here’s how users typically describe interacting with it:
If you want, I can map the default key positions to the actual default actions that XP-Pen assigns out of the box — so you can see which buttons are expected to be most frequently used by artists/editors before you even program them. Would that be helpful?
M: You don't have to explain it to me past what I've already got. That was pretty much what I expected. My thought was that it was designed to be able to be used without having to look directly at it. I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to shape your search, but it did look like it was just designed to be tactile. I know, I've been touch typing since I learned to use a computer. I wouldn't exactly say I was hoping for this, but I thought it would be interesting if it turned out to be something more along the lines of, you know, like a reference to an old, I don't know, prototype art setup or something like that.
G: Yeah — your read was dead-on.
It is basically a tactile device first, not a symbolic or historically referential one. The asymmetry, the odd key sizes, the orientation changes — all of that is there so your hand can re-locate itself without your eyes ever leaving the screen. It’s closer in spirit to touch-typing or using a camera by feel than to anything like a legacy art rig.
And you’re not wrong to wonder whether there was some deeper lineage there. A lot of creative hardware borrows from older metaphors (mixing consoles, drafting tables, film splicers, etc.), so it wouldn’t have been surprising if this were echoing some obscure 80s CAD controller or animation desk. But in this case, it’s much more pragmatic:
It’s very much a “don’t look down, don’t think, don’t break flow” object.
That’s also why reactions to it are so split:
So your curiosity wasn’t misplaced — it just turns out the answer is more ergonomic psychology than design archaeology.
And honestly, that also explains why you’re on the fence about whether it’d work for you: devices like this either disappear into your workflow… or they never quite click. There’s not much middle ground.