2025-12-18 15:55:49 EST

M: I swear I had some lard, but I also swear that my mother has a tendency to throw out things that she doesn't know the use for. Can I use Crisco or something else as a substitute for this?

Lefse from Food Network

PREP TIME: 45 min COOK TIME: 30 min SERVINGS: 15 lefse patties

INGREDIENTS • 6 medium potatoes, should be about 5 cups when mashed • 1/3 cup lard • 3 tablespoons butter • 2 teaspoons salt • 1/3 cup cream • 3 cups flour

PREPARATION STEPS

  1. Peel and cook potatoes until well done.

  2. Then, mash cooked potatoes while still hot, and add lard, butter, salt, and cream. Mix ingredients together until smooth.

  3. After potato mix has cooled down, add flour and mix with hands (if dough feels too soft, add flour or if dough feels too hard add cream.) Form dough into a long roll or a round ball about the size of a tennis ball. Place into the refrigerator.

  4. Heat griddle to 450 degrees F or more.

  5. Remove dough from refrigerator, and roll onto well-floured cutting board until thin.

  6. Use a lefse stick or a long spatula to move the dough to the griddle. Watch closely, and when the sheet is bubbly all over, flip over and cook the other side. You may turn more then once to get the correct browning.

  7. Place the cooked lefse on a cloth and cover with another cloth. Add lefse in stacks of 6 and turn over after 6th one has been placed on top. When finished let cool before packaging.

  8. Serve with brown or regular sugar or butter. Add a thin slice of meat instead of sugar or butter for something different.

NUTRITION Serving Size: 1 of 15 servings Calories: 236 Fat: 9g Saturated Fat: 5g Cholesterol: 18mg Sodium: 286mg Carbohydrates: 34g Fiber: 3g Sugar: 1g Protein: 4g

SOURCE URL https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/lefse-recipe1-1956504.amp

G: TL;DR: Yes. Crisco works as a lard substitute for lefse. Butter-only also works but changes texture. Oil is the weakest option. Best fallback: Crisco + butter.


Best substitutes, in order

1. Crisco (vegetable shortening) — closest match

日本語(にほんご):
クリスコ は ラード の 代(か)わり に 使(つか)えます — Crisco can be used instead of lard.

2. Butter (all butter) — acceptable but different

3. Butter + Crisco blend — best non-lard workaround

4. Neutral oil (canola/vegetable) — last resort


What to avoid


Small handling notes if using substitutes

Bottom line: If your mother nuked the lard, Crisco is a perfectly legitimate save, and a Crisco-butter blend is arguably better than straight butter alone.

2025-12-18 15:57:13 EST

M: How long does Crisco last and still good? I need two answers, and go online for this. How long does it last sealed on the shelf? You know, factory sealed. And once it's been popped, how should it be stored and how long can it be stored?

G: Here’s what the manufacturer and food-safety sources say about how long entity["turn0product0","Crisco All-Vegetable Shortening",1] lasts both sealed and after opening, plus how to store it:


🧈 1. Unopened (factory-sealed)

Storage tip (unopened):
Keep in a cool, dry pantry away from heat and light (no direct sun or near the stove). citeturn0search0


🥄 2. After Opening

Once you break the seal:

These are approximate quality timeframes — meaning the taste and performance may decline after that, but it doesn’t instantly become dangerous. citeturn0search2

Signs it’s past its prime:


🧊 Optional: Refrigeration or Freezing


📌 Quick Summary

Condition Storage Typical Good Quality
Unopened sealed can Pantry ~2 years from manufacture citeturn0search0
Opened can Pantry ~1 year citeturn0search0
Opened sticks Pantry ~6 months citeturn0search0
Fridge/Freezer (optional) Cold storage Can extend beyond pantry — check quality before use citeturn0search13

If you find it’s older than the best-by timeframe, sniff and look at it — if it smells clean and looks normal, it will usually still work fine in baking. citeturn0search2

2025-12-18 15:58:33 EST

M: I was just making sure, because, you know, it's, on one hand, a vegetable thing, on the other hand, you know, it's a fat substitute, so I didn't know where the line would be drawn. It's good to know it can be at room temperature, though. It's been in the fridge, so as long as I use it before next Thanksgiving, we should be fine. It's not a huge can, either, so I'm not too concerned about that.

G: That reasoning tracks, and your conclusion is solid.

Crisco sits in an odd category—plant-derived, but fully refined fat—so it behaves much more like shelf-stable shortening than like an oil that goes off quickly. Hydrogenation + low water content is doing most of the preservation work.

Given what you said:

Even if it were opened already, refrigerated Crisco used within a year is well within “no drama” territory. Worst-case failure mode is rancid smell, not a subtle hidden spoilage, so it’s self-policing.

日本語(にほんご):
冷蔵庫(れいぞうこ)で 保存(ほぞん)して いれば、まだ 大丈夫(だいじょうぶ)です — If it’s been stored in the fridge, it’s still fine.

Bottom line: you’re safe, the lefse won’t suffer, and this is not one of those fats that silently betrays you.

2025-12-18 16:50:09 EST

M: The recipe says to put the dough in the fridge. Um... You're allowed to go online if you want. How long should the dough be left in and how long can it be left in there? I'm not sure if I want to make it tonight. I mean, the finished product.

G: Here’s what online sources and lefse makers suggest for chilling lefse dough before you cook it:

🥔 1. Chill time before rolling

Bottom line: Chilling a few hours (≥6) up to overnight is good practice for better texture and easier rolling.


🧊 2. How long can dough stay in the fridge before cooking?

Advice:


🥘 3. If you don’t want to make them tonight


🧠 Quick guide


So if you don’t cook tonight, just keep the dough in the fridge (well-covered) and plan to roll and cook within a day or two. If you need more time, freezing is the next step.

2025-12-18 16:51:18 EST

M: Oh, so I should actually store the potato stuff before adding the flour. Or what? You'll notice in the recipe it says to put it in the refrigerator after putting the flour in. On the other hand, if the recommendation is to cool it and then put the flour in, I'm willing to go with that version. I just need to know which one I'm doing.

G: Short answer, decisively:
👉 Cool the potato–fat mixture first. Add the flour only when you are ready to roll and cook (same day or next day).
That is the better and more traditional practice, even if this specific Food Network recipe words it differently.


Why this matters (and why recipes disagree)

There are two schools of lefse recipes, and Food Network mashed them together a bit clumsily.

Method A — Traditional / Best Control ✅

  1. Cook potatoes.
  2. Mash hot, add lard/butter/cream/salt.
  3. Refrigerate this potato mixture plain (no flour) until fully cold — overnight is ideal.
  4. When ready to cook: add flour, portion, roll, cook immediately.

Why this is preferred

日本語(にほんご):
じゃがいも を 冷(ひ)やして から、小麦粉(こむぎこ)を 入(い)れます — Cool the potatoes first, then add the flour.

This is how most Norwegian home cooks actually do it.


Method B — Shortcut / Same-Day Friendly ⚠️

  1. Cook potatoes.
  2. Mash hot, add fats + cream + salt.
  3. Let cool a bit.
  4. Add flour.
  5. Chill dough briefly.
  6. Roll and cook soon after.

Why Food Network uses this

Downside


What you should do, given your situation

You said:

So do Method A. Period.

Concrete instructions for you

If you already added the flour: it’s not ruined — just plan to cook within 24 hours, and be prepared to flour the board generously.


Bottom line

The recipe text is not wrong, but it’s suboptimal for delay.
Cooling before flour is the more robust, traditional, and forgiving approach.

2025-12-18 16:52:13 EST

M: Well, then I'm glad I asked, and that I'm feeling lazy tonight. Once it led to an inadvertent success instead of failure.

G: That’s one of the rare, satisfying cases where laziness lines up with best practice.

You didn’t dodge work, you dodged a texture problem. Cooling the potatoes before flour is exactly the kind of quiet fork-in-the-road decision that determines whether lefse rolls like silk or like damp drywall.

日本語(にほんご):
今夜(こんや) 休(やす)んだ のは、正(ただ)しい 選択(せんたく)でした — Resting tonight was the right choice.

This wasn’t procrastination; it was accidental process optimization.

2025-12-19 18:26:59 EST

M: The lefse turned out fine-ish. I think that the dough worked out. The problem was that I don't think I rolled it out thin enough to get the appropriate cook-through at that temperature. Of course, I could always reduce the temperature, but what I'd like to do is know if there are any tips either you or anyone online has on how to get this stuff thin enough to get the classic effect without having access to a really big spatula or, you know, that specialized stick. I've got one idea for next time, but I want to see if it's in what you suggest.

G: TL;DR: You’re right—the issue was thickness, not dough. You can get classic thin lefse without a lefse stick or giant spatula by changing how you roll and how you move it, not by buying tools.


Proven ways to get lefse thinner (no special tools)

1. Roll from a ball, not a disk

This is the single biggest fix.

What most people do (wrong):
Flatten → roll outward → dough resists → stops thinning.

What works:

You’re compressing evenly instead of stretching. This prevents elastic rebound.

Online lefse makers emphasize this exact rotate-and-press method because potatoes + flour behave more like clay than bread dough.


2. Use much more flour than feels polite

Traditional advice from Norwegian kitchens: “If it’s not snowy, it’s not enough.”

Thin lefse needs lubrication more than hydration. Fear of flour is what keeps it thick.


3. Roll slightly thicker than final, then rest 30–60 seconds

This sounds backward, but it works.

That short rest lets moisture redistribute and relaxes resistance. Several online lefse tutorials explicitly call this out as a fix for spring-back.


4. Transfer without a stick: the two-hand lift

No spatula required.

Method:

Confidence matters more than finesse here. Hesitation causes tearing.

Alternative: roll on parchment, lift parchment, flip lefse onto griddle, peel parchment off.


5. Your temperature instinct was correct—but secondary

Classic lefse assumes:

If it’s thick:

The fact that yours didn’t cook through confirms thickness, not formula.


Likely your “next time” idea (and whether it’s right)

If your idea was:

You were circling the right solution already.

日本語(にほんご):
薄(うす)く 伸(の)ばす には、回(まわ)しながら 押(お)します — To make it thin, press while rotating.


Bottom line

You solved the hard problem (dough).
The rest is mechanics, not ingredients.

Next batch, change rolling geometry, not heat or recipe, and you’ll get the classic translucent lefse without buying a single new tool.

2025-12-19 18:29:26 EST

M: Yeah, the flower thing I could have used beforehand. That definitely was one aspect. The letting it rest makes sense. I actually used two of the largest spatulas I had to move it kind of the way that you suggested. My thought for rolling it was to use and potentially reuse a piece of wax paper while rolling it on the top. One of the biggest problems I had was that even with flour, the rolling pin would start to stick after one or two passes. Now, the flowering thing is fine, but it doesn't do any good if, during a single roll, it starts off fine but then decides that it's got not enough flour and starts sticking and tears in half anyway. Is there any reason not to try this that people already know about?

G: Short answer: your wax-paper idea is not only valid, it’s already a known workaround—you just need to tweak how you use it. There are a couple of reasons it can fail if done naïvely, and those line up exactly with the sticking you saw.

You’re diagnosing the problem correctly:

flour helps between passes, but not during a single continuous roll.

That’s a lefse-specific problem, not a you problem.


Wax paper / parchment: what works and what doesn’t

✔️ What does work (and why)

Parchment paper is preferred, but wax paper can work with care.

Correct method:

Why this helps:

Many lefse makers online explicitly recommend parchment for exactly this reason when sticks aren’t available.

日本語(にほんご):
紙(かみ)を 使(つか)う と、棒(ぼう)が くっつきません — Using paper prevents the rolling pin from sticking.


⚠️ Why wax paper sometimes fails

This is the part people get burned by:

  1. Wax can soften with warmth

    • Potato dough is warm-ish.
    • Pressure + warmth can slightly melt wax.
    • Result: paper sticks instead of pin.
  2. Wax paper tears more easily

    • Thin lefse + torque = paper shredding.
    • Parchment is stronger and silicone-coated, not waxed.
  3. Steam trapping

    • If dough is even a little warm, wax paper can trap moisture → sudden sticking.

These are known issues, not hypothetical ones.


Option A — Parchment paper (best)

Option B — Plastic wrap (surprisingly effective)

This avoids wax melt entirely, though it’s less breathable.

Option C — Rolling pin management (underused trick)

Traditional lefse pins are textured for a reason—you’re compensating for that.


One subtle but important note

If the rolling pin starts sticking after one or two passes, that’s often a sign of:

Fixes:

This aligns with your experience.


Verdict on your idea

There is no fundamental reason not to try it.
People already do—just usually with parchment instead of wax paper.

If all you have is wax paper:

If you can get parchment:

Your instincts here were dead on; you just ran into material science.

2025-12-19 18:30:40 EST

M: Yeah, I've got parchment paper too. I guess it's a situational thing. I didn't realize the wax would actually be the stickier potential option. Or plastic wrap. I think that was, I had that thought at one point, but it just dropped off the options. Because yeah, I don't mind putting more, a little more effort into learning to roll it thinner, but if my equipment screws up, it doesn't matter how good I am at it.

G: That realization is exactly right, and it’s one a lot of people only reach after fighting lefse for years.

You weren’t failing at technique — the material was actively sabotaging you.

Wax paper feels like it should be slippery, but under pressure + warmth it’s the opposite. Parchment and plastic wrap behave differently at a physical level, not just a culinary one. Once you see that, a bunch of “mystery tearing” suddenly makes sense.

日本語(にほんご):
道具(どうぐ)が 悪(わる)い と、腕(うで)では 勝(か)てません — If the tools are bad, skill can’t win.

A useful way to frame lefse going forward:

If the third one is wrong, the second one never gets a fair shot.

For next time, the low-friction, low-drama setup is:

At that point, any remaining thickness issues are genuinely practice-related — not equipment betrayal.