M: Except as a given that the president is ordering boats to be attacked illegally under the premise of them being drug smugglers. Who could stop him now?
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G: TL;DR — Immediate checks: the military (senior officers / DoD legal advisers) can refuse or block manifestly illegal combat orders; Congress can cut funding, pass restraints, or impeach; the courts can sometimes enjoin executive action but are slower and deferential in national-security claims; the 25th Amendment and (after removal) criminal prosecution are other remedies. These are real but imperfect — politics, speed, and institutional norms determine whether they actually stop the actions.citeturn0search5turn0search2turn0search1turn0search3turn0search4
Shorter breakdown (practical order of who could act right now)
Military leadership & individual service members
Secretary of Defense / civilian Defense leadership
Congress (House + Senate)
Courts
25th Amendment / Vice President + Cabinet
Department of Justice / Special Counsel and (after removal) criminal process
Reality check (how this plays out)
Bottom line: the immediate real-world stops are (1) senior Defense leadership and commanders refusing to execute manifestly illegal attacks, and (2) rapid congressional moves to cut authority/funding or to remove the President — with the courts, the 25th Amendment, and later criminal accountability as additional (but slower) checks.
M: New theory, or question, or whatever. The President is saying that a prosecution which he did not win, that was overtly his to lose, sorry, badly phrased, that he was overtly guilty of, and was interrupted only by his election and the immunity conveyed by it to prosecution during his term. He is now saying that he is going to file to get repaid for various, that kind of crap that you hear, you know, where it's mental anguish and efforts and things like that. So the court was never allowed to rule on his liability, but the evidence showed that he was there. And this is not a case of questionable. This is like some, if you were accused of parking in someone else's spot, and you had a picture of the car in your spot, and the car was still in that spot. It was that degree of, it was that degree of overtly guilty. The only reason why it never went to court is because he was elected and the investigation was closed. So in this hypothetical, where he has control over all of the switches which would pay him this money, where are the moral, ethical, and legal problems, and how would you fight it?
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G: TL;DR — It’s legally, ethically, and politically rotten: a President using executive power to force federal payments to himself for a pre-election prosecution would likely violate appropriations law, ethics/conflict rules, and basic separation-of-powers norms. The fastest ways to stop it are (1) agency lawyers/inspectors general/GAO refusing or enjoining the payment under appropriations law, (2) federal courts issuing injunctions, and (3) Congress cutting or withholding the money and using oversight or impeachment. Longer-term remedies include criminal or civil suits after the term and political accountability. citeturn0search0turn0search2turn0search9
Why it’s a problem — the legal skeleton
• Appropriations/Anti-Deficiency constraints — Federal agencies cannot obligate or spend money except as authorized by statute and in the appropriated amounts. Making a new, ad-hoc payment to a private person (including the President) without a statutory basis would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act and related appropriations rules; agency officials who obligate such payments risk administrative and criminal exposure. citeturn0search2turn0search14
• Presidential immunity limits (what he can’t use as a shield) — Recent Supreme Court guidance narrowed prosecutions for “official acts,” but it did not create a green light for the President to extract money from the government to compensate for alleged harms tied to official conduct. Immunity affects criminal liability analysis, not the separate statutory and constitutional rules about contracting, appropriations, or self-dealing. citeturn0search0turn0search4
• Attorney’s-fees / malicious-prosecution claims aren’t automatic — Courts will only order fee awards or damages in narrow circumstances (bad faith, malicious prosecution, statutes authorizing fee shifting). A self-help payment directed by the President wouldn’t magically create a statutory right to recovery; agencies can’t simply write checks without a legal hook. DOJ practice and federal fee jurisprudence set narrow pathways for awards. citeturn0search9
• Conflicts, emoluments, and constitutional issues — Directing government funds to enrich the President risks emoluments/self-dealing problems and breaches of ethics laws and standards that restrict official acceptance of personal benefits tied to office. That contamination increases the political and legal pressure on anyone who would execute the directive. citeturn0search3turn0search7
Practical levers to stop it (ordered by speed and likely effectiveness)
Agency lawyers / OLC / Inspector General / GAO pushback
Federal courts (injunction/TRO)
Congressional control of the purse & oversight
Inspector General / Office of Special Counsel complaints & criminal referrals
Agency refusal on separation-of-powers or ethics grounds
Post-term criminal and civil suits
How you would actually fight it (playbook)
Move fast to create legal roadblocks
Leverage Congress immediately
Use administrative refusals and whistleblower channels
Create political pressure and public exposure
Prepare for post-term remedies
Realistic obstacles and why it’s messy
• Political reality — If the President controls the levers and allies in Congress or the agencies, legal tools can be delayed or blunted; courts may be slow; officials sometimes cave under political pressure. That’s why combining legal, administrative, and political strategies is necessary. citeturn0search0turn0search4
• Immunity and doctrine confusion — The Supreme Court’s immunity analysis complicates criminal timing and some civil strategies; it doesn’t, however, automatically authorize spending government money for personal enrichment. citeturn0search0
• Remedies are partially retrospective — Even if you win later and recover money, the political damage and short-term payoff may already have happened; prevention is vastly preferable to cure. citeturn0search2
Bottom line — This would be unlawful and corrupt on multiple fronts, and you fight it by combining immediate legal actions (injunctions), administrative refusals and audits (IG/GAO/OLC), congressional power (appropriations and oversight, and impeachment if warranted), and public pressure — while preserving evidence for post-term criminal or civil accountability. citeturn0search0turn0search2turn0search9turn0search3
I’ll stop here with a concise checklist of first actions anyone organizing a response should take if you want it.