M: Except as a given that the president is ordering boats to be attacked illegally under the premise of them being drug smugglers. Who could stop him now?

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G: TL;DR — Immediate checks: the military (senior officers / DoD legal advisers) can refuse or block manifestly illegal combat orders; Congress can cut funding, pass restraints, or impeach; the courts can sometimes enjoin executive action but are slower and deferential in national-security claims; the 25th Amendment and (after removal) criminal prosecution are other remedies. These are real but imperfect — politics, speed, and institutional norms determine whether they actually stop the actions.citeturn0search5turn0search2turn0search1turn0search3turn0search4

Shorter breakdown (practical order of who could act right now)

  1. Military leadership & individual service members

    • Senior Pentagon officials, commanders, and Judge Advocates (military lawyers) can refuse to carry out orders that are clearly unlawful; DoD policy and the law of war require refusing manifestly illegal orders. Individual service members also have a duty not to follow illegal commands. In practice that’s the single fastest on-the-ground check.citeturn0search5turn0search11
  2. Secretary of Defense / civilian Defense leadership

    • The Secretary and senior civilian leadership control implementation and can decline to execute an unlawful operation, or order alternative steps. Their cooperation is usually necessary for large military actions.citeturn0search5
  3. Congress (House + Senate)

    • Congress can use its power over funding, pass resolutions forbidding the action, and (ultimately) impeach and remove the President (House impeaches; Senate tries and convicts). Congress also has statutory tools (War Powers Resolution) meant to rein in unilateral deployments, though enforcement can be contested. Legislative remedies can be fast (funding cutoffs) but politically and procedurally fraught.citeturn0search8turn0search3
  4. Courts

    • Federal courts can be asked for injunctions against unlawful executive acts. Judicial review has stopped some executive steps historically (see limits in Youngstown), but courts are sometimes hesitant to intervene quickly in alleged national-security conduct. Legal relief is possible but uncertain and can be slow.citeturn0search1
  5. 25th Amendment / Vice President + Cabinet

    • If the Vice President and a majority of Cabinet declare the President unable to discharge the powers of office, the VP can temporarily assume authority under the 25th Amendment — a constitutional (and rapid) way to put someone else in charge of operations.citeturn0search4
  6. Department of Justice / Special Counsel and (after removal) criminal process

    • DOJ could refuse to prosecute or could investigate and, after removal from office, prosecute criminal conduct. That’s a longer-term constraint rather than an immediate field stop.citeturn0news68

Reality check (how this plays out)

Bottom line: the immediate real-world stops are (1) senior Defense leadership and commanders refusing to execute manifestly illegal attacks, and (2) rapid congressional moves to cut authority/funding or to remove the President — with the courts, the 25th Amendment, and later criminal accountability as additional (but slower) checks.

M: New theory, or question, or whatever. The President is saying that a prosecution which he did not win, that was overtly his to lose, sorry, badly phrased, that he was overtly guilty of, and was interrupted only by his election and the immunity conveyed by it to prosecution during his term. He is now saying that he is going to file to get repaid for various, that kind of crap that you hear, you know, where it's mental anguish and efforts and things like that. So the court was never allowed to rule on his liability, but the evidence showed that he was there. And this is not a case of questionable. This is like some, if you were accused of parking in someone else's spot, and you had a picture of the car in your spot, and the car was still in that spot. It was that degree of, it was that degree of overtly guilty. The only reason why it never went to court is because he was elected and the investigation was closed. So in this hypothetical, where he has control over all of the switches which would pay him this money, where are the moral, ethical, and legal problems, and how would you fight it?

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G: TL;DR — It’s legally, ethically, and politically rotten: a President using executive power to force federal payments to himself for a pre-election prosecution would likely violate appropriations law, ethics/conflict rules, and basic separation-of-powers norms. The fastest ways to stop it are (1) agency lawyers/inspectors general/GAO refusing or enjoining the payment under appropriations law, (2) federal courts issuing injunctions, and (3) Congress cutting or withholding the money and using oversight or impeachment. Longer-term remedies include criminal or civil suits after the term and political accountability. citeturn0search0turn0search2turn0search9


Why it’s a problem — the legal skeleton

• Appropriations/Anti-Deficiency constraints — Federal agencies cannot obligate or spend money except as authorized by statute and in the appropriated amounts. Making a new, ad-hoc payment to a private person (including the President) without a statutory basis would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act and related appropriations rules; agency officials who obligate such payments risk administrative and criminal exposure. citeturn0search2turn0search14

• Presidential immunity limits (what he can’t use as a shield) — Recent Supreme Court guidance narrowed prosecutions for “official acts,” but it did not create a green light for the President to extract money from the government to compensate for alleged harms tied to official conduct. Immunity affects criminal liability analysis, not the separate statutory and constitutional rules about contracting, appropriations, or self-dealing. citeturn0search0turn0search4

• Attorney’s-fees / malicious-prosecution claims aren’t automatic — Courts will only order fee awards or damages in narrow circumstances (bad faith, malicious prosecution, statutes authorizing fee shifting). A self-help payment directed by the President wouldn’t magically create a statutory right to recovery; agencies can’t simply write checks without a legal hook. DOJ practice and federal fee jurisprudence set narrow pathways for awards. citeturn0search9

• Conflicts, emoluments, and constitutional issues — Directing government funds to enrich the President risks emoluments/self-dealing problems and breaches of ethics laws and standards that restrict official acceptance of personal benefits tied to office. That contamination increases the political and legal pressure on anyone who would execute the directive. citeturn0search3turn0search7


Practical levers to stop it (ordered by speed and likely effectiveness)

  1. Agency lawyers / OLC / Inspector General / GAO pushback

    • Career counsel and general counsels at the relevant agency can refuse to obligate funds when the payment would violate appropriations or other law; OLC opinions and IG audits can block or expose attempted payments. GAO will flag illegal obligations under appropriations rules. This is usually the fastest legal brake. citeturn0search2turn0search15
  2. Federal courts (injunction/TRO)

    • Lawsuits by affected parties (taxpayers, rival businesses, advocacy groups, or even agency employees) can seek emergency injunctive relief to prevent the payment. Courts can enjoin illegal executive action while the legality is litigated. citeturn0search0turn0search13
  3. Congressional control of the purse & oversight

    • Congress can refuse to appropriate the funds, add riders forbidding the payment, open oversight hearings, and use subpoenas and contempt powers to block execution. Congress can also impeach for corrupt use of office if the facts support it. This is powerful but can be slower or politically fraught. citeturn0search2turn0search4
  4. Inspector General / Office of Special Counsel complaints & criminal referrals

    • IG reports and internal referrals (including to DOJ components) create administrative and criminal exposure for officials who facilitate an illegal payment. They also produce records that help litigation and political pressure. citeturn0search2
  5. Agency refusal on separation-of-powers or ethics grounds

    • Many executive branch employees will decline to follow orders they reasonably believe are unlawful or would create criminal liability for them personally. That cultural/legal norm is a practical blockade. citeturn0search0
  6. Post-term criminal and civil suits

    • If the President completes his term after directing unlawful payments, he becomes vulnerable to ordinary criminal prosecution (subject to the immunity contours described by courts) and civil suits seeking disgorgement/unjust enrichment, malicious-prosecution damages, or other remedies. These are powerful deterrents ex post. citeturn0search0turn0search11

How you would actually fight it (playbook)

  1. Move fast to create legal roadblocks

    • File suits seeking temporary restraining orders and preliminary injunctions naming the agency and officials; ask for immediate discovery if there’s a risk funds will be moved. Simultaneously, demand IG/GAO reviews and public OLC memos. citeturn0search2turn0search0
  2. Leverage Congress immediately

    • Push sympathetic members to introduce appropriations riders forbidding the payment and to hold public hearings. Use committee subpoenas for documents and testimony to expose any plan to divert funds. citeturn0search2
  3. Use administrative refusals and whistleblower channels

    • Encourage agency lawyers and career officials to document objections; file whistleblower complaints and ask IGs to preserve records. Publicized internal opposition makes it politically risky to proceed. citeturn0search2
  4. Create political pressure and public exposure

    • Rapid, well-documented public reporting (media, watchdogs, competitors) changes the political calculus and makes Congress and career officials more likely to act. Complaints from businesses (e.g., competitors harmed by the payoff) can generate standing for lawsuits (or emoluments/antitrust angles). citeturn0search3
  5. Prepare for post-term remedies

    • Preserve evidence for later criminal/civil suits (time-stamped documents, chains of command, emails). Seek disgorgement/unjust enrichment claims and statutes that permit recovery to maximize the chance of reversing an improper payment later. citeturn0search11

Realistic obstacles and why it’s messy

• Political reality — If the President controls the levers and allies in Congress or the agencies, legal tools can be delayed or blunted; courts may be slow; officials sometimes cave under political pressure. That’s why combining legal, administrative, and political strategies is necessary. citeturn0search0turn0search4

• Immunity and doctrine confusion — The Supreme Court’s immunity analysis complicates criminal timing and some civil strategies; it doesn’t, however, automatically authorize spending government money for personal enrichment. citeturn0search0

• Remedies are partially retrospective — Even if you win later and recover money, the political damage and short-term payoff may already have happened; prevention is vastly preferable to cure. citeturn0search2


Bottom line — This would be unlawful and corrupt on multiple fronts, and you fight it by combining immediate legal actions (injunctions), administrative refusals and audits (IG/GAO/OLC), congressional power (appropriations and oversight, and impeachment if warranted), and public pressure — while preserving evidence for post-term criminal or civil accountability. citeturn0search0turn0search2turn0search9turn0search3

I’ll stop here with a concise checklist of first actions anyone organizing a response should take if you want it.