M: I have a task for you. Read the Bible. Keep it at arm's length. Then... ...dot, dot, dot... ...dot, dot, dot... Compile... ...a comprehensive, if not canonical... ...list... ...of... ...self-contradictions... ...factual... ...contradictions... ...and contradictions based on the... ...generally accepted standards of America in 2015. When I talk about the factual contradictions, I don't mean you have to focus on or even bring up the significant... ...like uber... ...contradictions such as how the world was formed. Besides the fact that we weren't there, and that's an interesting philosophical discussion of whether or not the two go together, it's not what we're looking for. We're looking for the lesser-known ones, or the ones that just don't get brought up. So... Focus only on the Old Testament... ...for the list. At least in this past. I'm sorry, at least in this past. Then when you're done with the Old Testament, run. Go through the New Testament... ...in two parts. The primary Gospels, and then all of the letters and stuff that came after. And find what contradicts... Sorry, I got off on a thought. Find out what... ...directly coming from the teachings of Jesus... ...contradicts elements of the Old Testament, and what contradicts the attempts to interpret these teachings in the letters of the New Testament.

G: That’s a thoughtful and nuanced task. To make sure I approach this accurately, could you clarify a few things?

  1. Which Bible translation would you prefer I use for reference (e.g. KJV, NIV, ESV)?
  2. When you mention "generally accepted standards of America in 2015," could you specify which types of standards you’re referring to—e.g., ethical norms, scientific understanding, legal principles?
  3. Would you like the contradictions grouped by type (e.g., factual vs. ethical vs. internal textual), or just listed together chronologically or by book?
  4. Should I include contradictions found in the Apocrypha or stick only to the Protestant canon?
  5. Would you like citations with chapter and verse for each contradiction?

Once I have those details, I can get started on the Old Testament portion first.

M: I think the King James Version, although I would appreciate it if before you started you explained to me what the significant differences are besides the translator. I guess if there are relevant significant differences, you can look at both? As far as the ethical norms of 2015, use the contextually relevant elements of 2015, like with the factual stuff, the scientific understandings. The internal contradictions are obvious. Societal stuff, societal norms. Let me know if there was any kind of difficulty in choosing so that I can clarify a second draft. Group the contradictions together by the three major types, and then in each of those three lists show the contradictions chronologically, although you can turn them into subgroups if they are all part of a single sequence. If there's a listing of the number of people in a clan or whatever that part is, and it's obviously wrong, and then the next bit of that book is also wrong about the number in a different clan, put those all into a subgroup. Put the apocrypha into a fourth list of comparison. I appreciate your making the distinction. Give a citation for each chapter and verse, but do it as briefly as possible. I'm mostly reading this on a phone, so I've seen Ecclesiastes, abbreviated as ECC, use that kind of brevity so as to take up as little screen space as possible, please.

G: Understood. I’ll begin with the Old Testament, using the King James Version as the primary source. Where meaningful differences exist in other widely used translations (e.g., NIV or ESV), I’ll flag them. I’ll identify contradictions grouped into three major categories:

  1. Factual contradictions (e.g., census numbers, geography, chronology)
  2. Ethical or societal contradictions based on 2015 U.S. standards
  3. Internal textual contradictions within the Old Testament

All citations will be in abbreviated form for mobile reading, and related contradictions (such as differing census numbers) will be grouped into sublists. Apocryphal texts will be handled in a separate fourth section for comparison.

I’ll let you know once the full set of contradictions for the Old Testament is ready.

G:

Bible Contradictions: Old Testament, New Testament, and Apocrypha

Bible Version (KJV vs Others): We will mainly reference the King James Version (KJV) for consistency. The KJV’s language is archaic (17th-century English), but its verse numbering and content are standard. Notably, the original 1611 KJV included the Apocrypha (books not in the Protestant canon). Other than language differences (e.g. “thee/thou”), most contradictions appear in all translations. In a few cases, translation choices or textual variants differ – for example, KJV 2 Samuel 21:8 names Michal as having five sons (creating a conflict with 2 Sam 6:23), whereas modern Bibles correct this to Merab (Michal’s sister) based on older manuscripts【34†L71-L79】【34†L83-L92】. Below, we group contradictions into three categories – internal self-contradictions, contradictions vs. facts, and contradictions vs. modern ethics – all focused on the Old Testament first. Then we’ll examine contradictions involving New Testament teachings (the Gospels vs. the Old Testament, and the Epistles vs. Jesus), followed by a brief look at the Apocrypha. (Bible book names are abbreviated for brevity, e.g. ECC = Ecclesiastes.)

Old Testament – Internal Self-Contradictions

Old Testament – Contradictions vs. Science/History

(Many of these “science” contradictions come from taking the Bible’s prescientific descriptions as literal. While believers may interpret them in non-literal ways, the plain readings do clash with modern knowledge.)

Old Testament – Contradictions with Modern (2015) Ethics

(These are cases where biblical commands or practices oppose the generally accepted moral standards of a modern American in 2015. While not “contradictions” within the Bible’s narrative, they are moral contradictions between the Bible and contemporary values.)

(In summary, many actions endorsed in the Old Testament – slavery, patriarchy, genocide, harsh corporal punishments – flatly contradict modern secular ethics and human rights. These create a moral contradiction between the Bible’s world and our own.)

New Testament Contradictions – Gospels vs. Old Testament

Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels at times directly contradict Old Testament law or principles, marking a departure from earlier scripture:

In summary, Jesus introduced higher ethical standards or new teachings that sometimes nullified or contradicted Old Testament directives. These contradictions underscore the tension between the old covenant and the new teachings of Christ.

New Testament Contradictions – Jesus vs. the Epistles

The New Testament letters (primarily Paul’s epistles) sometimes appear to contradict Jesus’ own teachings from the Gospels. Early Christians grappled with interpreting Jesus, and at times the apostles’ statements conflict with Christ’s words:

In summary, some apostolic teachings diverge from Jesus’ words. Christians harmonize these by context – e.g. Jesus spoke before the cross to Jews under law, while Paul applied the gospel after the cross to Gentiles – but on the surface there are clear contrasts. These have led some to speak of a “Paul vs. Jesus” contradiction on issues like the law, faith and works, use of titles, and emphasis on certain doctrines【10†L309-L317】【10†L318-L322】. Such tensions highlight the complex development of early Christian teaching.

Apocrypha – Additional Contradictions

(The Apocrypha refers to Jewish books written ~300–100 B.C. included in the Greek Septuagint and in Catholic Bibles, but not in the Hebrew Bible or Protestant Old Testament. The Apocryphal books have their own issues and contradictions, both internally and with the rest of the Bible. Below are a few examples.):

In short, the Apocryphal books, while included in some Bibles, contain theological and factual contradictions with the accepted 66-book canon. They advocate dubious practices (magic, salvation by works), get historical facts wrong, and thus are not considered reliable or inspired by those traditions that exclude them【31†L267-L274】. These discrepancies were a key reason Protestant reformers rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture.

Sources: