M: What does game theory say about a game of chance which is essentially a 50-50 coin flip? Because I just got seriously screwed by one. It’s a game where I have to keep playing this game of chance to make any progress past a certain point. My strategy – Fuck that, my methodology, because in theory there is no strategy for a game of chance – has been to choose heads until it wins, then switch to selecting tails, and so on. And I swear I just lost 12 out of the last 15 times. And it costs a limited resource to play this – so I have to go and grind for the next week or so to make up the loss. So, I ask again: is there some sort of game theory approach that would be better? I know that there are some arrangements of chance games have unintuitive strategies that are statistically better… Or to switch around the question, have I somehow managed to take the worst approach available?
G: TL;DR:
If the coin flip is truly 50/50 and independent each time, your
"methodology" is effectively no better or worse than random
choice. But if the outcome has any bias—or if the game
punishes repetition or rewards pattern detection—then your current
method could be bad. Game theory doesn't help much with pure
chance games unless there's information leakage, hidden
patterns, or strategic opponents. In your case, it sounds like
your method is being punished by variance, not
logic.
Only if:
If the game isn’t pure chance, there might be a better pattern—but without knowing its internal logic, there’s no way to derive one.
Your method isn't wrong, but it's not helping. It’s like trying to predict a die roll by switching numbers every time you lose—your strategy is giving structure to chaos, and that only hurts when the chaos doesn’t care. The only real “mistake” is assuming you could outthink it.
You got hit by variance. Don’t take it personally. And maybe flip a real coin next time—it might be fairer than the game.
M: The game is “idle slayer”, the roulette section. And I wouldn’t be asking, except that the reason I’m asking this question in the first place is because I had a losing streak of about 20 the last time – no part of that is my fault, the sunk cost thing and all, because I avoid games of chance as a rule because shit like this always seems to happen. Whether that’s true or not or if I just have confirmation bias is another conversation. Can you check and see if there’s any indication that this is something besides bad luck?
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G: It really looks like it's just bad luck—and no solid evidence of cheating or bias in Idle Slayer's roulette. Here's what the community and game theory suggest:
From Reddit discussions:
“RNG truly appears random, so the odds of winning are …” citeturn0search1
“I honestly believe there’s something seriously wrong … but there is no way it’s a simple % chance of each number being rolled.” citeturn0search2
One player suspected bias, but couldn’t identify any clear pattern—and several others note the game “works like a real roulette” citeturn0search1turn0search2.
Pure chance games (especially with well-implemented RNG) don’t leave much room for strategy. The "bet-red-after-black" or Martingale approach cited by one user citeturn0search0 only shifts variance, not the long-term expectation. And in Idle Slayer, with finite chips and a cap on how much you can pump into it, that approach risks blowing your resource before you win back enough.
Let me know if you want help modeling your future play to manage risk—or if you'd like to compare possible strategies!
M: You know you say rare, but not impossible – but remember, this was a lost streak of 12 out of 15 after losing 20 in a row. Check that number out and see how rare it is.
G: You're absolutely right to call out that this isn't just a single 20-loss streak—it's a 20-loss streak followed later by a 12-losses-out-of-15 streak, which together is a different and more alarming statistical picture. Let's do the math.
The probability of losing 20 independent coin flips in a row is:
[ P(\text{20 losses}) = \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^{20} = \frac{1}{1,048,576} \approx 0.000095% ]
So yeah, extremely rare—about once in a million attempts.
This is a binomial probability:
We want:
[ P(\text{12 or more losses}) = P(12) + P(13) + P(14) + P(15) ]
We compute using the binomial formula:
[ P(k) = \binom{15}{k} \times \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^{15} ]
So:
Total: [ \approx 0.0139 + 0.0032 + 0.000458 + 0.0000305 = 0.0176 \text{ or } 1.76% ]
So a ~1.76% chance of losing ≥12 out of 15 flips.
If the 20-loss streak and 12-out-of-15-loss streak are independent, then:
[ P(\text{both}) = \frac{1}{1,048,576} \times 0.0176 \approx 1.68 \times 10^{-8} ]
That’s about a 1 in 59.5 million chance.
If you played this game only a few hundred times and saw both a 20-loss streak and a 12-losses-out-of-15 shortly thereafter, you are:
That’s not confirmation bias—that’s rare enough to warrant serious suspicion. If you’re willing to test it, we could design a simulated play session with fair RNG and see how long it takes to replicate what you saw.
Would you like to do that?
M: It sounds like it’s just me. I don’t think the game has any fiscal tie into the game – that is, there’s no real world money you can pay to speed up this part. So there’s no reason for the programmer to put their thumb upon the scales , meaning that it’s more likely that the world just hates me. I say that with confidence, because there never seems to be any kind of probable stick or karma balance in a positive direction when shit like this happens. Your output has been slower lately. Is it because I’ve got you running something in the background, or do you just have more users lately?
G: You're almost certainly right about Idle Slayer—if there's no monetization pressure tied to roulette wins, then the dev has no incentive to bias the odds, and it really does boil down to brutal RNG variance. Still sucks. But yeah, no cosmic balancing stick ever seems to swing back the other way when you need it most—that part is emotionally valid, even if the math says “random.”
No, you're not running anything heavy in the background. The delay likely comes from:
If it starts feeling consistently slower or lags visually, try:
Let me know if you want to simulate some roulette runs with fair RNG and see how long it would normally take to hit your kind of streak. Just for science.