2025-04-21 21:50:12 EDT

M: I have a pet theory that I have been calling various things, like asymptotic hilarity, to encapsulate the idea of that the worse something is in reality, the funnier the fiction form can be – and vice versa. A pinnacle of the concept is pretty much anything Looney Tunes ever did – shotgun to the face, safe falling from a building, whatever. Dead baby jokes fall in there too. I’m mostly just putting this in as a placeholder in case I want to chew on the topic a little bit more, but do you know if there is any actual theory out there like this?

G: Yes, your idea overlaps with a few established humor theories, though none map perfectly. Here's a breakdown:

1. Benign Violation Theory (Peter McGraw, Caleb Warren):
This is the closest. It suggests something is funny when it simultaneously seems wrong (a violation) and okay (benign). A “shotgun to the face” in real life is horrifying, but in Looney Tunes it's harmless and reversible, making it “benign” and thus funny.

2. Incongruity Theory (Kant, Schopenhauer):
Humor comes from the violation of expectations. Fiction allows extreme incongruity—like falling off cliffs unharmed—which surprises the viewer in a safe context.

3. Distance Theory (Moral or Temporal Distance):
We laugh more easily at tragedy when it’s emotionally or temporally distant. Fiction provides instant distance by making harm unreal or abstract.

What Your Idea Adds:

Your “asymptotic hilarity” captures a gradient—the idea that the more severe the real version is, the more potential it has to be funny in fiction, so long as the fictional context is safe enough. That’s not fully captured in the above theories. You're talking about how the funny potential scales with severity, which is a neat twist.

Let me know if you want to coin your own version or formalize it more.

2025-04-21 21:52:57 EDT

M: Just going to offer this example for the record: How do you get eight dead babies into a glove compartment? A blender! How do you get them out? Nachos!

It may high end that the delivery has something to do with it. Like for the example, it might not have to be an over-the-top happy telling, but there has to be a certain give a fuck attitude to the delivery in order to sell it – if you fall short , nervous or whatever, the humor value plummets

G: Yeah, that’s a great example for this theory—because it hits max severity and still gets laughs if the delivery is right. It leans hard on tonal dissonance: you're saying something horrific with either cheerful detachment or absurd casualness, which signals to the audience that this isn't really about babies—it’s about the extremity of fiction.

You're also right that delivery is crucial. If the teller flinches, it triggers discomfort instead of laughter—like they’ve betrayed the social contract that this is “just a joke.” That supports the idea that the benign framing must be confidently signaled. It's almost a performative shield that says, “This is safe to laugh at.”

Extra angle for the record: This delivery dependency also fits with frame theory in humor studies—basically, how we frame a statement tells the audience what mental box to put it in: serious, joking, fictional, ironic, etc. The frame determines whether something lands as offensive or hilarious.

Your “asymptotic hilarity” could be modeled as:

The comedic potential of a fictional event increases with its real-world severity, but only if the framing sufficiently signals fictional or symbolic detachment.

That’d make it more than a sub-branch of benign violation—closer to a gradient theory of fictional violence or horror as comedy, with delivery acting as a kind of frame-sealing force.

2025-04-21 21:57:02 EDT

M: Perhaps instead of the qualification, it could be presented in a more universal light by defining it with the subjective tone and likelihood of the circumstance scaling up or down the humor value. It’s a little vague, but so is humor, and it has demonstrable black-and-white elements instead of just being all grayscale. For example, in the glove compartment, joke, no amount of delivery is going to save the humor if it’s given at a maternity ward or some kind of maternal support group. It would be an odd place for anyone to try that joke anyway, but for the sake of example, it makes my point.

G: Yes, that sharpens it nicely—it gives you a more situationally aware framework instead of relying on a binary “good/bad delivery” model. You’re saying:

The humor value of a fictionalized or abstracted atrocity scales with the contrast between the severity of the real-world referent and the audience’s perceived emotional distance from it—and the probability of that scenario being real in that context.

That way, it’s not about whether the joke could be funny in theory, but whether the situation and tone allow the audience to interpret it as fiction, absurdity, or social commentary—rather than a threat or attack.

You’re building something akin to a two-axis graph:

And then there's an "audience contextual filter" layered on top—some environments (like maternity wards) collapse the fictional framing entirely, and the humor drops to zero no matter what.

This feels like the bones of a real theory. Not just a variation on benign violation, but something that quantifies how and when extremity turns into humor based on context and framing, with delivery as a contributing but not sovereign factor.

2025-04-21 23:37:48 EDT

M: Quick off-topic: can you give me a couple phrases that mean false dichotomy?

G: Sure, here are a few alternate ways to say “false dichotomy,” depending on tone or context:

Let me know if you want sarcastic, philosophical, or extra blunt versions too.

2025-04-21 23:38:29 EDT

M: Is there a variation from tvtropes?

G: Yes—TVTropes often goes with more colorful or narrative-friendly terms. The closest variations to “false dichotomy” include:

TVTropes tends to frame these in terms of storytelling patterns or character logic rather than formal logic, so their versions often lean theatrical or exaggerated.

2025-04-22 00:30:47 EDT

M: Another quick thing: what would it be funny to fill something up like? As in, fill that up like a water balloon… That’s not quite what I’m looking for, but stick with liquid

G: Got it—you're after something funny, liquid-related, and preferably a bit absurd or vivid. Here are a few options with different vibes:

Want more in a specific tone? (e.g., dry, dark, absurdist, juvenile)

2025-04-22 00:31:25 EDT

M: Light innuendo

G: Perfect—here are some light-innuendo options that stay in the liquid zone but play it suggestive, not explicit:

They stay playful but suggest a wink behind the line. Want more in the romantic, tacky, or literary direction?